Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Richard theonewiththeevill...@yahoo.fr writes: PMJI, but I often used to construct headlines such as * Some course (or any other kind of recurring meeting) ** 2012-05-08 mar. ** 2012-05-15 mar. ** 2012-05-22 mar. and then filling the level two headlines as I attend the lectures. This situation sometimes creates an error message when building the agenda view, so now I use * Some course ** Lecture 2012-05-08 mar. ** Lecture 2012-05-15 mar. ** Lecture 2012-05-22 mar. I understand from your post that this way of doing things should be avoided, right ? What would be the correct way ? ** Lecture 2012-05-08 mar. ** Lecture 2012-05-15 mar. ** Lecture 2012-05-22 mar. I guess I could do something like : * Some course 2012-05-08 mar. 2012-05-15 mar. 2012-05-22 mar. and create headlines for each lecture as I attend them. That should work too, yes. HTH, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Le Thu, 10 May 2012 08:38:42 +0200, Bastien a écrit : ** Lecture 2012-05-08 mar. ** Lecture 2012-05-15 mar. ** Lecture 2012-05-22 mar. Sure that makes sense, but I forgot to say one thing : as the lectures have not yet been given, they do not have a title; thus my outline really looks like (with the same title each) ** Lecture... ** Lecture... ** Lecture... which is why I kept the date within the headline (to be able to differentiate them) Now I realize that * Some course 2012-05-08 mar. 2012-05-15 mar. 2012-05-22 mar. is what I was looking for. Thanks for your help, -- Nico.
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Le Tue, 08 May 2012 16:10:02 +0200, Bastien a écrit : Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Oh, I agree - the removal is certainly desirable. I meant whether the non-removal of not-today's date is intentional :-) Thinking about this again, I don't see any reason why we should keep any timestamp in the headline. I pushed a fix for this. Hello, PMJI, but I often used to construct headlines such as * Some course (or any other kind of recurring meeting) ** 2012-05-08 mar. ** 2012-05-15 mar. ** 2012-05-22 mar. and then filling the level two headlines as I attend the lectures. This situation sometimes creates an error message when building the agenda view, so now I use * Some course ** Lecture 2012-05-08 mar. ** Lecture 2012-05-15 mar. ** Lecture 2012-05-22 mar. I understand from your post that this way of doing things should be avoided, right ? What would be the correct way ? I guess I could do something like : * Some course 2012-05-08 mar. 2012-05-15 mar. 2012-05-22 mar. and create headlines for each lecture as I attend them. Best wishes, -- Nico.
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Oh, I agree - the removal is certainly desirable. I meant whether the non-removal of not-today's date is intentional :-) Thinking about this again, I don't see any reason why we should keep any timestamp in the headline. I pushed a fix for this. Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: so it becomes 2012-04-17.*?. Hence it removes the date in the third example above, but not in the other two. The question is whether this is intended or not I think this is intended. If timestamps were not removed from today's date, agenda listing items scheduled/timestamped for today would be less readable. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Bastien bzg at altern.org writes: I think this is intended. If timestamps were not removed from today's date, agenda listing items scheduled/timestamped for today would be less readable. If the year in the timestamp of +1y repeating items is the current year, it *is* removed from the agenda. However, if the year is not the current year, then the timestamp is *not* removed from the agenda.
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Hi Nick, Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: so it becomes 2012-04-17.*?. Hence it removes the date in the third example above, but not in the other two. The question is whether this is intended or not I think this is intended. If timestamps were not removed from today's date, agenda listing items scheduled/timestamped for today would be less readable. Oh, I agree - the removal is certainly desirable. I meant whether the non-removal of not-today's date is intentional :-) Nick
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Just so people know that this is a possibility: I find it useful to put inactive timestamps in headlines. This makes it simple to find entries in a sorted chronological list, and gather information about them, without any unfolding or even (in some cases) any ellipses. I think the key thing is that some people sort in the outline and other people don't. Samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes: I have entries such as the following: *** 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day :holiday: which appear on the agenda on the correct day each year, but they appear as: File: 2011-01-01 +1y Public Holiday: Freedom Day :holiday: with the date showing. Other deadline/schedule/plain timestamp entries do not show the full date. Which variable controls this? Apologies -- the above was a copy and paste nightmare between Emacs and Firemacs. What I meant was the following in an org file: *** 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day :holiday: and the following appearing on the agenda: File: 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day :holiday: What I'm asking about is the fact that the full timestamp itself appears in in the agenda for this entry, but not for other deadline/schedule/plain timestamp entries.
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes: Apologies -- the above was a copy and paste nightmare between Emacs and Firemacs. What I meant was the following in an org file: *** 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day :holiday: and the following appearing on the agenda: File: 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day :holiday: What I'm asking about is the fact that the full timestamp itself appears in in the agenda for this entry, but not for other deadline/schedule/plain timestamp entries. And I'd like to disable the timestamp in for these entries. They appear ON the correct day in the agenda, so there is no need to include the full timestamp. Also, this makes the entry very long in the Agenda. Other entries (timestamps/deadlines/schedules) appear in the agenda without the timestamp text in .
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
On 17 Apr 2012 09:25, SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote: SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes: snip *** 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day :holiday: and the following appearing on the agenda: File: 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day :holiday: What I'm asking about is the fact that the full timestamp itself appears in in the agenda for this entry, but not for other deadline/schedule/plain timestamp entries. snip Hi there, 1) I believe org works much more happily if you don't include timestamps in headlines. 2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system. Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary: (org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day Best, Brian vdB
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
On 17 Apr 2012 09:39, Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote: 2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system. Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary: (org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day Emailing before first coffee is a bad idea. I left out some syntax. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Weekly_002fdaily-agenda.html. Best, Brian vdB
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.broek at gmail.com writes: 1) I believe org works much more happily if you don't include timestamps in headlines. This *** New Year's Day 2011-01-01 +1y does *not* include the timestamp in the agenda, yes. However, timestamps are *not* included in the agenda from other entries which *do* have timestamps in the headline. I've tested with repeating timestamps, timestamps with times, timestamps repeating with last year as the start date, and I cannot replicate this. I'll post if I find anything further.
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SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes: This *** New Year's Day 2011-01-01 +1y does *not* include the timestamp in the agenda, yes. However, timestamps are *not* included in the agenda from other entries which *do* have timestamps in the headline. I've tested with repeating timestamps, timestamps with times, timestamps repeating with last year as the start date, and I cannot replicate this. I'll post if I find anything further. I've tracked down what causes this behaviour -- it's actually a repeating timestamp which is from a year ore more ago (contrary to what I posted above). This: ** 2011-04-17 +1y Test :holiday: or this: ** 2010-04-17 +1y Test :holiday: appears in the agenda *with* the timestamp included. This: ** 2012-04-17 +1y Test :holiday: does *not* appear with the timestamp included. The difference is the *starting* year. (I have not included the *day* in the timestamp. I excluded it initially with the thought that the day would not be correct for subsequent years. Including it does not affect the problematic behaviour.)
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote: SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes: This *** New Year's Day 2011-01-01 +1y does *not* include the timestamp in the agenda, yes. However, timestamps are *not* included in the agenda from other entries which *do* have timestamps in the headline. I've tested with repeating timestamps, timestamps with times, timestamps repeating with last year as the start date, and I cannot replicate this. I'll post if I find anything further. I've tracked down what causes this behaviour -- it's actually a repeating timestamp which is from a year ore more ago (contrary to what I posted above). This: ** 2011-04-17 +1y Test :holiday: or this: ** 2010-04-17 +1y Test :holiday: appears in the agenda *with* the timestamp included. This: ** 2012-04-17 +1y Test :holiday: does *not* appear with the timestamp included. The difference is the *starting* year. Indeed - I can reproduce that. It happens in org-agenda-get-timestamps, in the call to org-agenda-format-item: this function takes a regexp argument, remove-re, and removes any matches from the string it produces. The regexp is constructed from the *current* date though: (concat (regexp-quote (format-time-string %Y-%m-%d (encode-time 0 0 0 (nth 1 date) (nth 0 date) (nth 2 date .*?) so it becomes 2012-04-17.*?. Hence it removes the date in the third example above, but not in the other two. The question is whether this is intended or not: personally, I don't see any reason for the difference in behavior, so it might be a good idea to generalize the regexp to match *any* year. Nick
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Nick Dokos nicholas.dokos at hp.com writes: Indeed - I can reproduce that. It happens in org-agenda-get-timestamps, in the call to org-agenda-format-item: this function takes a regexp argument, remove-re, and removes any matches from the string it produces. The regexp is constructed from the *current* date though: (concat (regexp-quote (format-time-string %Y-%m-%d (encode-time 0 0 0 (nth 1 date) (nth 0 date) (nth 2 date .*?) so it becomes 2012-04-17.*?. Hence it removes the date in the third example above, but not in the other two. The question is whether this is intended or not: personally, I don't see any reason for the difference in behavior, so it might be a good idea to generalize the regexp to match *any* year. Nick Thanks for the reply. Do I need to file this as a bug, or does this thread constitute a bug report? I'm behind a firewall/proxy and haven't setup email in Emacs, so I would just copy and paste the message from org-submit-bug-report and email it? I'm not (yet) an elisp-er, so I can't fix this myself.
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.broek at gmail.com writes: On 17 Apr 2012 09:39, Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.broek at gmail.com wrote: 2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system. Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary: (org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day Emailing before first coffee is a bad idea. I left out some syntax. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Weekly_002fdaily-agenda.html. Best, Brian vdB Thanks, didn't know about those, but that's exactly what I need. There is *so* much to org-mode and always another section to the manual ... :)
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote: Nick Dokos nicholas.dokos at hp.com writes: Indeed - I can reproduce that. It happens in org-agenda-get-timestamps, in the call to org-agenda-format-item: this function takes a regexp argument, remove-re, and removes any matches from the string it produces. The regexp is constructed from the *current* date though: (concat (regexp-quote (format-time-string %Y-%m-%d (encode-time 0 0 0 (nth 1 date) (nth 0 date) (nth 2 date .*?) so it becomes 2012-04-17.*?. Hence it removes the date in the third example above, but not in the other two. The question is whether this is intended or not: personally, I don't see any reason for the difference in behavior, so it might be a good idea to generalize the regexp to match *any* year. BTW, this should be *any* date: monthly, daily, weekly repeaters would exhibit the same behavior. Nick Thanks for the reply. Do I need to file this as a bug, or does this thread constitute a bug report? I'll let the maintainers decide a) whether it's a bug and b) whether a formal bug report is needed. I'm behind a firewall/proxy and haven't setup email in Emacs, so I would just copy and paste the message from org-submit-bug-report and email it? I'm not (yet) an elisp-er, so I can't fix this myself. Yes, that would be the procedure. Nick
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes: 2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system. Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary: (org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day Emailing before first coffee is a bad idea. I left out some syntax. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Weekly_002fdaily-agenda.html. Thanks, didn't know about those, but that's exactly what I need. There is *so* much to org-mode and always another section to the manual ... :) FWIF 1: Anniversaries in the agenda don't have tags now. The tag I provided appears in the headline only and does not appear in the agenda. Adding :TAG: didn't solve this. FWIW 2: The CATEGORY example included in the link above resulted in the category appearing next to some other entries in the agenda as well. Replacing it with :CATEGORY: instead of #+CATEGORY: solved this.
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
On 17 April 2012 15:11, SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote: SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes: 2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system. Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary: (org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day Emailing before first coffee is a bad idea. I left out some syntax. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Weekly_002fdaily-agenda.html. Thanks, didn't know about those, but that's exactly what I need. There is *so* much to org-mode and always another section to the manual ... :) FWIF 1: Anniversaries in the agenda don't have tags now. The tag I provided appears in the headline only and does not appear in the agenda. Adding :TAG: didn't solve this. FWIW 2: The CATEGORY example included in the link above resulted in the category appearing next to some other entries in the agenda as well. Replacing it with :CATEGORY: instead of #+CATEGORY: solved this. I've not tagged any of my holidays and days of observance. The #+CATEGORY issue will arise in other regards as well. It was a first pass at changing categories within an org file before the general category property mechanism was included. I don't recall if #+CATEGORY has been deprecated, but I've treated it as such and been much happier than when I was struggling with it. Best, Brian vdB
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Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 April 2012 15:11, SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote: SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes: 2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system. Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary: (org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day Emailing before first coffee is a bad idea. I left out some syntax. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Weekly_002fdaily-agenda.html. Thanks, didn't know about those, but that's exactly what I need. There is *so* much to org-mode and always another section to the manual ... :) FWIF 1: Anniversaries in the agenda don't have tags now. The tag I provided appears in the headline only and does not appear in the agenda. Adding :TAG: didn't solve this. FWIW 2: The CATEGORY example included in the link above resulted in the category appearing next to some other entries in the agenda as well. Replacing it with :CATEGORY: instead of #+CATEGORY: solved this. I've not tagged any of my holidays and days of observance. The #+CATEGORY issue will arise in other regards as well. It was a first pass at changing categories within an org file before the general category property mechanism was included. I don't recall if #+CATEGORY has been deprecated, but I've treated it as such and been much happier than when I was struggling with it. I'm still stuck in the past, using #+CATEGORY: instead of properties, but fwiw I haven't had any problem. Like Brian, I'm not tagging these things. Nick
[O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
I have entries such as the following: *** 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day:holiday: which appear on the agenda on the correct day each year, but they appear as: File: 2011-01-01 +1y Public Holiday: Freedom Day :holiday: with the date showing. Other deadline/schedule/plain timestamp entries do not show the full date. Which variable controls this?
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote: I have entries such as the following: *** 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day :holiday: which appear on the agenda on the correct day each year, but they appear as: File: 2011-01-01 +1y Public Holiday: Freedom Day :holiday: with the date showing. Other deadline/schedule/plain timestamp entries do not show the full date. Which variable controls this? Forget the date: is it really changing New Year's Day to Public Holiday: Freedom Day ?!?! Nick PS FWIW I can't reproduce either the date problem or the holiday name changing problem...
Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda
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