[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Rémi Vanicat vani...@debian.org wrote: Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes: On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:56:08PM -0600, Russell Adams wrote: - Mutt automatically changes my email address depending on the recipient or folder according to a series of roles Not to reply to myself, but one item I've found lacking in other mailreaders and one of my primary reasons for using mutt is the concept of roles. I'm not sure what a role is, but with gnus, you can change you email address depending on the folder (group in gnus speak) or the topic (topic are a hierarchical organization of group). For this you use posting-style. There's also `gnus-alias'[1] which allows you to automagically select and easily switch identities. An `identity' covers nearly every aspect of a message like From-, Reply-To- and other headers, text to be pre-filled into the body and of course signatures. Having used quite a few mail-/news clients (well, ages ago, I must admit) I never came across a more powerful and flexible mechanism for using roles. Ulf [1] http://www.northbound-train.com/emacs.html#MyPackages ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes: On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:56:08PM -0600, Russell Adams wrote: - Mutt automatically changes my email address depending on the recipient or folder according to a series of roles Not to reply to myself, but one item I've found lacking in other mailreaders and one of my primary reasons for using mutt is the concept of roles. Do any of the emacs readers support that effectively from someones direct experience? I use gnus-posting-styles to set header information for outgoing mail based on the current folder I'm in. For me this changes the name, email address, signature, organization, and X-URL based on which email folder I reply or create mail from. I also presort my mail into folders before any MUA sees the mail (mine are on a private IMAP server) and normally read mail from the inbox the mail was sorted to. Then I just reply without having to think about setting the identity since the gnus-posting-styles rules creates the proper headers. -Bernt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Ulf Stegemann ulf-n...@zeitform.de writes: Rémi Vanicat vani...@debian.org wrote: Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes: On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:56:08PM -0600, Russell Adams wrote: - Mutt automatically changes my email address depending on the recipient or folder according to a series of roles Not to reply to myself, but one item I've found lacking in other mailreaders and one of my primary reasons for using mutt is the concept of roles. I'm not sure what a role is, but with gnus, you can change you email address depending on the folder (group in gnus speak) or the topic (topic are a hierarchical organization of group). For this you use posting-style. There's also `gnus-alias'[1] which allows you to automagically select and easily switch identities. An `identity' covers nearly every aspect of a message like From-, Reply-To- and other headers, text to be pre-filled into the body and of course signatures. Having used quite a few mail-/news clients (well, ages ago, I must admit) I never came across a more powerful and flexible mechanism for using roles. I second the recommendation of gnus-alias. I have rules set up to set my email address automatically depending on the To or Cc line. And, as others have mentioned, there's the built-in gnus-posting-styles. I used wanderlust for a while and it has excellent role functionality built-in (via the variables wl-draft-config-alist and wl-template-alist). - Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Otto Diesenbacher ok...@diesenbacher.net writes: Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org writes: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? (http://www.mew.org current version is 6.3). I am wondering noone else mentioned it already. Mew can handle pop, imap and local mail very well, also can handle SSL via stunnel. This seems a very good email client. I see one issue though: it does not link to orgmode. From the orgmode manual we can read that only the following email clients do: VM, Wanderlust, MHE, Rmail, Gnus Otherwise, it looks exactly like what I am looking for. Henri-Paul -- Henri-Paul Indiogine Texas AM University http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Henri-Paul Indiogine hindiog...@gmail.com writes: Otto Diesenbacher ok...@diesenbacher.net writes: Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org writes: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? (http://www.mew.org current version is 6.3). I am wondering noone else mentioned it already. Mew can handle pop, imap and local mail very well, also can handle SSL via stunnel. This seems a very good email client. I see one issue though: it does not link to orgmode. From the orgmode manual we can read that only the following email clients do: VM, Wanderlust, MHE, Rmail, Gnus Otherwise, it looks exactly like what I am looking for. Though I haven't used it, there is an org-mew module in the repositories. Moreover, it is activated in the default setting of org-modules: , | org-modules is a variable defined in `org.el'. | Its value is | (org-bbdb org-bibtex org-docview org-gnus org-info org-jsinfo org-irc org-mew org-mhe org-rmail org-vm org-w3m org-wl) ` Best, Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Hi Matt! Though I haven't used it, there is an org-mew module in the repositories. Moreover, it is activated in the default setting of org-modules: , | org-modules is a variable defined in `org.el'. | Its value is | (org-bbdb org-bibtex org-docview org-gnus org-info org-jsinfo org-irc org-mew org-mhe org-rmail org-vm org-w3m org-wl) ` Let me make sure that I understand: Mew actually does work with orgmode, but the documentation does not (yet) reflect that? Thanks, Enrico -- Enrico Indiogine Mathematics Education Texas AM University Email: hindiog...@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico Rien ne va de soi. Rien n'est donné. Tous est construit. Gaston Bachelard, 1934 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Ben Finney ben+em...@benfinney.id.au writes: Hi Ben, I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? I use Gnus for NNTP (e.g. for participating in this forum), and am really liking it. I would dearly love to use Gnus for email too, and am this →← close, but I have an interactive external program generating my message signatures and I can't figure out how to get it working in Emacs quite as easily as it does in Mutt. This should be very easy. Have a look at http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusMnemonics where the fortune program is used as signature program. Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Henri-Paul Indiogine hindiog...@gmail.com writes: Hi Henri-Paul, For example, I would like to read html email in Gnus using w3m, but it seems that the latest version of emacs-w3m does not work with Emacs 23. Check out the CVS version of emacs-w3m. It works with recent emacsen. (I really wonder why the emacs-w3m guys don't push a new release out...) Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org writes: Ben Finney ben+em...@benfinney.id.au writes: I would dearly love to use Gnus for email too, and am this →← close, but I have an interactive external program generating my message signatures and I can't figure out how to get it working in Emacs quite as easily as it does in Mutt. This should be very easy. Have a look at http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusMnemonics where the fortune program is used as signature program. That misses the fact that, as I said above, I use an *interactive* program for generating my signature block. It's not a matter of generating output unilaterally from the program. I interact with the program on the console (saying yes or no to proposed random signatures), and it then modifies an existing message file in-place. I can't figure out how to get Emacs to work with this program. Anyway, this is now wildly off-topic for an Org discussion forum. -- \ “Holy bouncing boiler-plated fits, Batman!” —Robin | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
I'm looking for a configuration example of a mairix/gnus/org-mode (for org-mode just the link between gnus and mairix) configuration and have some questions : - I've read that there were problems with mairix and utf-8 encoding, is is still true ? - It is also possible to use mairix for indexing the mail I send ? I use gnus since 7 years but don't parametrize it since a long time (I remember spending a long time to do it). I use a fetchmail/procmail process in order to have local mail boxes. I also encounter some performance problem with gnus (with huge mail box), it's why I want now to use mairix. I also hope, as Xavier suggest, to keep a small active mail box and delegate the classification part in org-mode (delete a mail or answers it or put it in an task for deferred action or save attached part in some place). My use of Mairix will be just for storing a trace of incoming (and outcoming ?) mail and searching in : I sometimes need to check if someone has really send me a mail (my students for instance). And I send a lot of identical mails along the year (so retrieving one and copy/cut rapidly help me gaining time). Regards, BlueDian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org writes: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? (http://www.mew.org current version is 6.3). I am wondering noone else mentioned it already. Mew can handle pop, imap and local mail very well, also can handle SSL via stunnel. I am now using it for about 4 years. The mailing list is very helpfull. br okflo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
On 2009-12-02 00:39 +, Keith Lancaster wrote: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira darc...@gmail.com writes: I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). - Darlan Cavalcante Thanks for all the responses! Looks like I have a bit of investigating to do. Second try posting this from gnus... Keith I would also recommend Gnus. Not only it is included in Emacs but also actively maintained. Leo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: [...] The summary is 5 actions when dealing with new email: * Delete: just get rid of it (or archive it) * Delegate: get someone else to deal with it * Respond: if it takes just a few minutes, do it right now * Defer: put it on a todo list, archive it, and deal with it later * Do: handle whatever the email actually needs you to do The aim is to not have to go back to your inbox to see what you have to deal with -- that's what org-mode (or whatever) is for. Too much time is wasted trawling through huge inboxes looking for actions to respond to which means you're using an inbox as a todo list. This is not effective. To come back to the initial discussion, note that gnus is well adapted for this: by default, a read mail do not show-up anymore, making everything automatically archived. [...] -- Rémi Vanicat ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Leo sdl@gmail.com wrote: On 2009-12-02 00:39 +, Keith Lancaster wrote: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira darc...@gmail.com writes: I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). - Darlan Cavalcante Thanks for all the responses! Looks like I have a bit of investigating to do. Second try posting this from gnus... Keith I would also recommend Gnus. Not only it is included in Emacs but also actively maintained. Leo Anyone have any experience using Gnus with Gmail via IMAP? ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: At Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:01:38 +0100, jema...@gnu.org wrote: I've moved to a 0 size mailbox approach to handling my email (which works well with org and, in fact, requires org to work at all really) so this is not an issue for me. That sounds like an interesting approach. Could you elaborate on that? Yes, I also have problems with my huge longstanding mailboxes :( The aim is to not have to go back to your inbox to see what you have to deal with -- that's what org-mode (or whatever) is for. Too much time is wasted trawling through huge inboxes looking for actions to respond to which means you're using an inbox as a todo list. This is not effective. As an aside, this is precisely why I like Gnus so much. By default, read messages are hidden -- so it makes it easy to get down to zero without having to refile, archive, or delete anything. Automatic archiving/expiry takes care of the problem of overly large mailboxes. - Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
David Neu da...@davidneu.com writes: Anyone have any experience using Gnus with Gmail via IMAP? My gmail setup basically uses the following template (although I use pop for gmail, and only use Imap for my school mail) -- Eric gnus-setup-template.el Description: application/emacs-lisp ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
David Neu da...@davidneu.com writes: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Leo sdl@gmail.com wrote: On 2009-12-02 00:39 +, Keith Lancaster wrote: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira darc...@gmail.com writes: I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). - Darlan Cavalcante Thanks for all the responses! Looks like I have a bit of investigating to do. Second try posting this from gnus... Keith I would also recommend Gnus. Not only it is included in Emacs but also actively maintained. Leo Anyone have any experience using Gnus with Gmail via IMAP? Actually, my goal (unstated in the original post) is to use Gmail via IMAP. Based on the recommendations from the group, I got it working last night. So far, so good. Lots of configuration, however, and I don't have searching in place yet, and don't quite know how it all fits in with org-mode yet. Some pretty good info here: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusGmail Keith ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
David Neu da...@davidneu.com writes: [...] Anyone have any experience using Gnus with Gmail via IMAP? I've a somewhat complicated setup for this. It's server three purpose - I want a copy of my mail locally for speed and backup - I want my mail on gmail to been accessible from everywhere - I want both to be synchronized So I use offlineimap to have a local maildir that is a mirror of Gmail's imap view of my mail. But gnus support of maildir is terrible, and I want gnus because I want only one software for mail and news, and I'm used to gnus. So I use a local imap server (dovecot) to read my mail So: gmail --- offlineimap --- maildir --- dovecot --- gnus It is complicated, but I can read my mail from any computer, using gnus+IMAP if it's one of my computer, and gmail webmail for the rest. -- Rémi Vanicat ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes: On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:56:08PM -0600, Russell Adams wrote: - Mutt automatically changes my email address depending on the recipient or folder according to a series of roles Not to reply to myself, but one item I've found lacking in other mailreaders and one of my primary reasons for using mutt is the concept of roles. Do any of the emacs readers support that effectively from someones direct experience? I'm not sure what a role is, but with gnus, you can change you email address depending on the folder (group in gnus speak) or the topic (topic are a hierarchical organization of group). For this you use posting-style. -- Rémi Vanicat ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org writes: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? I use Gnus for NNTP (e.g. for participating in this forum), and am really liking it. I would dearly love to use Gnus for email too, and am this →← close, but I have an interactive external program generating my message signatures and I can't figure out how to get it working in Emacs quite as easily as it does in Mutt. -- \ “… whoever claims any right that he is unwilling to accord to | `\ his fellow-men is dishonest and infamous.” —Robert G. | _o__) Ingersoll, _The Liberty of Man, Woman and Child_, 1877 | Ben Finney ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Keith Lancaster klancaster1...@acm.org writes: I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). Gnus here, though I'm eager to follow the development of notmuch.el. For me, gnus is much more than a mail client. It is my everything and the kitchen sink reader: mail, nntp, web/rss. Thanks to Carsten and Tassilo's work, gnus integrates exceptionally well with org-mode - Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Darlan Cavalcante Moreira darc...@gmail.com writes: I use wanderlust for email (including this list) and it works really well with imap. I was somewhat hard to configure, but now that everything is working I don't feel like going back to my previous e-mail client (evolution). - Darlan Cavalcante Thanks for all the responses! Looks like I have a bit of investigating to do. Second try posting this from gnus... Keith ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
Le 01/12/2009 22:34, Keith Lancaster a écrit : I apologize for the WAY off topic question, but since you folk are emacs expertsdo you use emacs for email, and if so, what do you use? Org-mode caused me to switch to emacs after programming for 30 years in other editors, and so like many emacs converts, I'm not wanting to exit the app :-). I am using Rmail. I have used all possible MUA for GNU Emacs on Earth but simplicity and ease of use is really important to me. - Gnus was and is still too heavy for my needs and it is full of useless gadgets for me (threads, groups, posting style, ...). - Wanderlust is nice too and really powerful (virtual folders was why I chose it). I am now using wl exclusively for NNTP (which I do not practice that much lately) - MH and its emacs fronted is nice if you have time to learn how the system is working (the learning curve is huge in my opinion). So sorry since it is the one that I preferred. - VM is more or less an enhanced rmail. After several tries at all of them, rmail has still my preference: - comes with official GNU Emacs distribution - really simple - no complex setup (thus not tempted to play with it) My mail system is like that: fetchmail - rmail. Full stop. When I read an email either I answer to it if needed or it is deleted. I no longer archive all and everything for years (for nothing). When I archive something it is outside my way. Xavier ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: [OT] Emacs for email?
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:56:08 -0600 Russell == Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com wrote: Russell I'm suppose I'm still an exception here. I'm using Mutt, Russell though I edit outbound messages in emacs. I used to use Gnus, but switched back to Claws so it's easier for my other family members. Russell Russell My email toolchain goes like this: Russell Russell - fetchmail downloads from several different servers Russell - procmail sorts email into the proper inbox or other folder Russell- I use maildir for backend storage, I gave up on mbox a Russell long time ago I'm using getmail to fetch from different servers, maildrop to sort and dovecot running on localhost so that has Claws access to all the mail via IMAP (that's how I used it with Gnus as well), while emacsclient is used as Claws' external editor. I used Gnus for nntp rss, but had too many problems with unrecognised rss feeds and I had to pull news every 20mins or so due to problems with Gnus -- Dovecot timeout-ing. Moreover, Gnus tends to be slow and considering Emacs' single-threading, I went back to Claws despite having desire to do almost-everything in Emacs. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: F96FF5F6 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
