Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-08-02 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Marcin Borkowski writes: > And I do not. I suspect that many authors don't care, and use GPL (or > BSD, or other license) just so that they don't have to write a license > themselves. Of course, this is only my suspicion, and I might be > totally wrong. As a data point, in order to cle

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-28 Thread Robert Klein
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:49:05 +0200 Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > On 2015-07-27, at 20:30, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: > > > On 27/07/15 20:20, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > >> > >> On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Daniele Nicolodi > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > That

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 20:30, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: > On 27/07/15 20:20, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> >> On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: >> >>> On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: That I've already learned. OTOH, one of the reasons to use PD might be that I expli

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 20:20, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: > >> On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >>> That I've already learned. OTOH, one of the reasons to use PD might be >>> that I explicitly state that I object the legal system I live in. (Mind

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: > On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> That I've already learned. OTOH, one of the reasons to use PD might be >> that I explicitly state that I object the legal system I live in. (Mind >> you: I'm not an anarchist, and I'm very far from

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > That I've already learned. OTOH, one of the reasons to use PD might be > that I explicitly state that I object the legal system I live in. (Mind > you: I'm not an anarchist, and I'm very far from that. But this system > is almost unbearable.) This st

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:50, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: > I'm not sure that using an interpreter for running some code classifies > as linking, but I don't know of any "official" statement on the subject. > > On the other hand, Elisp is an extension language for a GPL program, > thus it may be argued t

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:52, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: > On 27/07/15 14:42, Greg Troxel wrote: >> >> Daniele Nicolodi writes: >> >>> On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. A tutorial may contain code which people natu

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:42, Greg Troxel wrote: > Daniele Nicolodi writes: > >> On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >>> I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. >>> A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even >>> copy). Such things should def

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:17, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: > On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. >> A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even >> copy). Such things should definitely be in PD. > > As your

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Achim Gratz
Marcin Borkowski writes: > I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, > I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather > obviously, I'm modeling it on existing exporters (mainly ox-latex), > which seem to share a lot of structure (function names and docst

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 14:42, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Daniele Nicolodi writes: > >> On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >>> I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. >>> A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even >>> copy). Such things should definite

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 14:25, Oleh Krehel wrote: > Rasmus writes: > >> Oleh Krehel writes: >> >>> If anywhere in your code there's (require 'org), you have to release >>> your code under GPL. >> >> Are you sure about that? By this logic, *any* .el file should be GPL as >> they use (defun ·), implicitly lo

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Daniele Nicolodi writes: > On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. >> A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even >> copy). Such things should definitely be in PD. [many excellent comments. As a n

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Oleh Krehel
Rasmus writes: > Oleh Krehel writes: > >> If anywhere in your code there's (require 'org), you have to release >> your code under GPL. > > Are you sure about that? By this logic, *any* .el file should be GPL as > they use (defun ·), implicitly loaded from byte-run. I'm pretty sure: you're call

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Rasmus
Oleh Krehel writes: > If anywhere in your code there's (require 'org), you have to release > your code under GPL. Are you sure about that? By this logic, *any* .el file should be GPL as they use (defun ·), implicitly loaded from byte-run. Rasmus -- Lasciate ogni speranza o voi che entrate: s

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. > A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even > copy). Such things should definitely be in PD. As yourself pointed out in one of your emails, in many legal ordina

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Oleh Krehel
Marcin Borkowski writes: > I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, > I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather > obviously, I'm modeling it on existing exporters (mainly ox-latex), > which seem to share a lot of structure (function names and doc

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 11:31, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 10:59, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > [...] > >> See how stupid this whole copyright law swamp is? >> >> What if I reuse just the basic structure of sentences in the docstrings, >> like in "Subject + verb + preposition + objec

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 11:46, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 11:05, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > [...] > >> Frankly speaking, I'm rather astonished at your and Eric's answers. >> I treated my question as a formality, and expected answers like "Of >> course you can do it, don't be sill

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 11:05, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] > Frankly speaking, I'm rather astonished at your and Eric's answers. > I treated my question as a formality, and expected answers like "Of > course you can do it, don't be silly." Oh, sorry! I thought you actually did want to get s

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 10:59, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] > See how stupid this whole copyright law swamp is? > > What if I reuse just the basic structure of sentences in the docstrings, > like in "Subject + verb + preposition + object"? Do I have to use GPL > then, too? ;-) > > And what if

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 10:35, Rasmus wrote: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> On 2015-07-27, at 10:16, Rasmus wrote: >> >>> Marcin Borkowski writes: >>> I reuse parts of GPL'd code (as I mentioned, quite generic ones, but still). Is it fine, or should I expect a visit from EFF lawyers or

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 10:42, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 10:06, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, >> I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather >> obviously, I'm modeling it on exist

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 10:06, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, > I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather > obviously, I'm modeling it on existing exporters (mainly ox-latex), > which seem to share

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Rasmus
Marcin Borkowski writes: > On 2015-07-27, at 10:16, Rasmus wrote: > >> Marcin Borkowski writes: >> >>> I reuse parts of GPL'd code (as I mentioned, quite generic ones, but >>> still). Is it fine, or should I expect a visit from EFF lawyers or >>> something? >> >> My guess would be no. You sho

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 10:16, Rasmus wrote: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> I reuse parts of GPL'd code (as I mentioned, quite generic ones, but >> still). Is it fine, or should I expect a visit from EFF lawyers or >> something? > > My guess would be no. You should ask the FSF lawyers. You mean l

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Rasmus
Marcin Borkowski writes: > I reuse parts of GPL'd code (as I mentioned, quite generic ones, but > still). Is it fine, or should I expect a visit from EFF lawyers or > something? My guess would be no. You should ask the FSF lawyers. Rasmus -- What will be next?

[O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Hi all, I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather obviously, I'm modeling it on existing exporters (mainly ox-latex), which seem to share a lot of structure (function names and docstrings in particular). I