Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Andrew Hyatt ahy...@gmail.com wrote: The xiki video is interesting, and I immediately thought of babel. However, babel sh-mode doesn't have support for execution yet. Not sure what you mean by that. Place cursor in source block and hit C-c, e.g. #+BEGIN_ORG * Shell example #+begin_src sh date #+end_src #+RESULTS: : Wed Sep 19 07:24:17 BST 2012 #+END_ORG Regards, Sean
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
Luis Anaya papoan...@hotmail.com writes: In terms of its interface, it's pretty nifty, but the real magic happens because it's running within an editor. Exactly. It'd be somehow ironical for Emacs to mimic the features of a software that uses an editor to mimic the features of a shell, especially given the fact many consider Emacs an operating system. :) -- Bastien
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
That's odd, I get No org-babel-execute function for sh!. I think I just hadn't require'd ob-sh, and when I did this fixed the problem. Thanks! My point about removing the boilerplate still stands, however. If I have some free time in the next month, I may try to see if I can get it removed as I proposed above. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Sean O'Halpin sean.ohal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Andrew Hyatt ahy...@gmail.com wrote: The xiki video is interesting, and I immediately thought of babel. However, babel sh-mode doesn't have support for execution yet. Not sure what you mean by that. Place cursor in source block and hit C-c, e.g. #+BEGIN_ORG * Shell example #+begin_src sh date #+end_src #+RESULTS: : Wed Sep 19 07:24:17 BST 2012 #+END_ORG Regards, Sean
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
hi, I gave Xiki a try and it turned out to be an dependency hell on arch linux. After installing dozen of packages from AUR, I managed to get it up and running. Its nice and some of the ideas could be shamelessly stolen for org/org-babel. E.g. the mouse-support is great and would fit well to org if we think of emacs on tablets. However, I think it is in a very very early stage and one would need to see how it develops. I do not like the ruby-bridge. This looks to me very fragile and I had bad experience with python. Those bridges tend to break whenever there is a change on one of the sides ext. language or emacs. It also changed the entire appearance resp. face of my emacs session not sure why it did this. Feels a bit invasive and alienating. Nevertheless, its good that this kind of things get tested out and maybe in a future release of Emacs, we can see some of the ideas in the Emacs core. Totti On 20 September 2012 06:49, Andrew Hyatt ahy...@gmail.com wrote: That's odd, I get No org-babel-execute function for sh!. I think I just hadn't require'd ob-sh, and when I did this fixed the problem. Thanks! My point about removing the boilerplate still stands, however. If I have some free time in the next month, I may try to see if I can get it removed as I proposed above. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Sean O'Halpin sean.ohal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Andrew Hyatt ahy...@gmail.com wrote: The xiki video is interesting, and I immediately thought of babel. However, babel sh-mode doesn't have support for execution yet. Not sure what you mean by that. Place cursor in source block and hit C-c, e.g. #+BEGIN_ORG * Shell example #+begin_src sh date #+end_src #+RESULTS: : Wed Sep 19 07:24:17 BST 2012 #+END_ORG Regards, Sean
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
Andrew Hyatt ahy...@gmail.com writes: That's odd, I get No org-babel-execute function for sh!. I think I just hadn't require'd ob-sh, and when I did this fixed the problem. Thanks! For security reasons evaluation is not turned on by default. The relevant chapter of the manual is a very good resource [1]. My point about removing the boilerplate still stands, however. If I have some free time in the next month, I may try to see if I can get it removed as I proposed above. You can insert code-block templates by typing s TAB, and there exists other methods of expressing code blocks (e.g., inline code blocks). If you do want to experiment with different syntax, it should be fairly easy to write a function which parses some sparse code syntax near the point and then calls existing org-babel-execute functions to run the code. For example the following function will check to see if the current line starts with a $, and if so, it will run the line in your shell and insert the result immediately following the line. ;; -*- emacs-lisp -*- (defun sparse-execute () (interactive) (save-excursion (goto-char (point-at-bol)) (if (string= (thing-at-point 'char) $) (let ((result (org-babel-execute:sh (substring (thing-at-point 'line) 1) '( (goto-char (point-at-eol)) (open-line 1) (forward-char 1) (let ((beg (point))) (insert (format %s result)) (org-babel-examplize-region beg (point (error this line doesn't look executable Cheers, Footnotes: [1] http://orgmode.org/manual/Working-With-Source-Code.html -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
Hi Marcelo, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABgfeature=youtu.be I'm wondering it something like that could be done with emacs (and possibly integrating orgmode to add the outlining features)? * [[shell:ls -l]] * shell:pwd ... etc etc. I think pretty all the features described here are already available with some elisp. The basic idea is that the command prompt and the results are of the same kind: text you can edit, and that can produce an output... that you can further reuse as a command. Which is the core idea of Org. If there is any specific feature displayed in the video that seems useful for Org, let us know. My 2 cents, -- Bastien
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
Marcelo == Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Marcelo Hi list, I've found a pretty interesting piece of Marcelo software today. It's called Xiki, check out the video: Marcelo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABgfeature=youtu.be Marcelo I'm wondering it something like that could be done with Marcelo emacs (and possibly integrating orgmode to add the Marcelo outlining features)? It's already done in emacs, see https://github.com/trogdoro/xiki
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
@Bastien, Yeah, I've been thinking about the link approach or perhaps babel, thank you for the suggestions! @Eden, That's awesome! Looks like I didn't do the proper research... Thank you guys, - Marcelo. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Eden Cardim e...@insoli.de wrote: Marcelo == Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Marcelo Hi list, I've found a pretty interesting piece of Marcelo software today. It's called Xiki, check out the video: Marcelo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABgfeature=youtu.be Marcelo I'm wondering it something like that could be done with Marcelo emacs (and possibly integrating orgmode to add the Marcelo outlining features)? It's already done in emacs, see https://github.com/trogdoro/xiki
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Hi list, I've found a pretty interesting piece of software today. It's called Xiki, check out the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABgfeature=youtu.be It's interesting, but it has its challenges. I tried to install it to play with it and... well, it's still there in zombie mode; I've not followed through with it. This is what I found out: 1. Requires ruby and uses el4r. That by itself is not bad, but it is overhead to run the application. The installation process is a chore. I'm not a ruby programmer although I'm familiar with the language. Other than I had to compile ruby from source (which is not bad) trying to get it to work within el4r is not straightforward. If you do not know ruby or el4r, it does complicates its installation. 2. Uses emacs or vim or some other editors in experimental mode, and I think that it's limited to graphic mode. I tried to run it from the console and I got a Face -9 error. So, what good is a shell if you can't run it from the console? It might have been pilot error but makes me wonder. 3. I think that Bastien mention that items can be done in babel being that it allows to get data form different sources. In terms of its interface, it's pretty nifty, but the real magic happens because it's running within an editor. My 2 cents... -- Luis Anaya papo anaya aroba hot mail punto com Do not use 100 words if you can say it in 10 - Yamamoto Tsunetomo
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
The xiki video is interesting, and I immediately thought of babel. However, babel sh-mode doesn't have support for execution yet. Even if it did, it wouldn't be a really good alternative, due to babel's verbosity. One idea is to have a babel subtree (or buffer) that is keyed to a specific language, so that everything under it is assumed to be an executable statement. Something like: * Project A ** Shell :PROPERTIES: :BABEL-TYPE: sh :END: ls - file1 - file2 - file3 run_server ouput-buffer ** Next thing Where the files and output-buffer are linked. The interaction within the BABEL-TYPE heading would be similar to the *scratch* buffer, just execute and it gives you the result immediately below. Except the result should work be org-output, and linked when appropriate. Babel would be handling this, but it wouldn't need the boilerplate for each command, or each output. The idea to use [[shell:ls]] and things like that is also useful, but right now the output goes to a different buffer, and is not otherwise tied in with org-mode. This is why I think babel might be a better fit for this type of functionality. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Hi Marcelo, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABgfeature=youtu.be I'm wondering it something like that could be done with emacs (and possibly integrating orgmode to add the outlining features)? * [[shell:ls -l]] * shell:pwd ... etc etc. I think pretty all the features described here are already available with some elisp. The basic idea is that the command prompt and the results are of the same kind: text you can edit, and that can produce an output... that you can further reuse as a command. Which is the core idea of Org. If there is any specific feature displayed in the video that seems useful for Org, let us know. My 2 cents, -- Bastien
[O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
Hi list, I've found a pretty interesting piece of software today. It's called Xiki, check out the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABgfeature=youtu.be I'm wondering it something like that could be done with emacs (and possibly integrating orgmode to add the outlining features)? That could be interesting. Just food for thought, Cheers! - Marcelo.
