Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
Dear Carsten, yesterday I found some time to check all my clockings starting from the begining of the year. With the help of the agenda gaps and overlaps indication I found quite some faults in my clockings. I found the functions to be very helpful! Org is becoming more useful all the time! Thanks again for implementing! Maybe you could now implement some function telling me what I did in the clocking gaps ... :-) Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Rainer Stengele __|___ | Dipl. Inf. (Univ.) Rainer Stengele | Technical Control - System Administration | | email: rainer.steng...@diplan.de | voice/fax: ++49-9131-7778-85/88 | WWW : http://www.diplan.de | | diplan GmbH | Wetterkreuz 27 | 91058 Erlangen, Germany Diese E-Mail kann vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen enthalten. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Am 27.04.2011 13:53, schrieb Carsten Dominik: On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Rainer Stengele wrote: Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik: On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: Paul Mead paul.d.m...@gmail.com writes: Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@diplan.de writes: I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. If yes I have to adjust the clocks. I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these or jump to these. Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly regular holes in the ranges, for example - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) - working days (Monday to Friday for example) What do you think? -- Rainer I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important for me. Paul Hi Rainer and Paul, Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring that the start and end times match over the clocking period. It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you look at the entire clocking data. The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. Maybe something like the following mock up? --8---cut here---start-8--- Day-agenda (W15): Wednesday 13 April 2011 todo:7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: 7:11- 8:00 - Gap - (0:49) org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: todo:8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast todo:9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: 9:30-10:58 - Gap - (1:28) 10:00.. todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: vvv -- Overlap -- vvv todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News
Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: Paul Mead paul.d.m...@gmail.com writes: Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@diplan.de writes: I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. If yes I have to adjust the clocks. I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these or jump to these. Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly regular holes in the ranges, for example - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) - working days (Monday to Friday for example) What do you think? -- Rainer I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important for me. Paul Hi Rainer and Paul, Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring that the start and end times match over the clocking period. It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you look at the entire clocking data. The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. Maybe something like the following mock up? --8---cut here---start-8--- Day-agenda (W15): Wednesday 13 April 2011 todo:7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: 7:11- 8:00 - Gap - (0:49) org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: todo:8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast todo:9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: 9:30-10:58 - Gap - (1:28) 10:00.. todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: vvv -- Overlap -- vvv todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: ^^^ -- Overlap -- ^^^ todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: 12:00.. 14:00.. 16:00.. 11:16-16:33 - Gap - (5:17) todo: 16:33.. Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: 16:43.. now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18:00.. 20:00.. --8---cut here---end---8--- Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul, these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. This introduces a new key in the agenda, v c, which will check for clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around with f and b. To get out of this view, press l to turn off log view, for example. Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful. There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues.
Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik: On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: Paul Mead paul.d.m...@gmail.com writes: Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@diplan.de writes: I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. If yes I have to adjust the clocks. I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these or jump to these. Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly regular holes in the ranges, for example - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) - working days (Monday to Friday for example) What do you think? -- Rainer I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important for me. Paul Hi Rainer and Paul, Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring that the start and end times match over the clocking period. It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you look at the entire clocking data. The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. Maybe something like the following mock up? --8---cut here---start-8--- Day-agenda (W15): Wednesday 13 April 2011 todo:7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: 7:11- 8:00 - Gap - (0:49) org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: todo:8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast todo:9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: 9:30-10:58 - Gap - (1:28) 10:00.. todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: vvv -- Overlap -- vvv todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: ^^^ -- Overlap -- ^^^ todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: 12:00.. 14:00.. 16:00.. 11:16-16:33 - Gap - (5:17) todo: 16:33.. Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: 16:43.. now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18:00.. 20:00.. --8---cut here---end---8--- Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul, these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. This introduces a new key in the agenda, v c, which will check for clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around with f and b. To get out of this view, press l to turn off log view, for example. Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful. There is a variable to
Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
On 24.4.2011, at 23:48, Rainer Stengele wrote: Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik: On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: Paul Mead paul.d.m...@gmail.com writes: Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@diplan.de writes: I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. If yes I have to adjust the clocks. I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these or jump to these. Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly regular holes in the ranges, for example - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) - working days (Monday to Friday for example) What do you think? -- Rainer I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important for me. Paul Hi Rainer and Paul, Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring that the start and end times match over the clocking period. It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you look at the entire clocking data. The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. Maybe something like the following mock up? --8---cut here---start-8--- Day-agenda (W15): Wednesday 13 April 2011 todo:7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: 7:11- 8:00 - Gap - (0:49) org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: todo:8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast todo:9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: 9:30-10:58 - Gap - (1:28) 10:00.. todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: vvv -- Overlap -- vvv todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: ^^^ -- Overlap -- ^^^ todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: 12:00.. 14:00.. 16:00.. 11:16-16:33 - Gap - (5:17) todo: 16:33.. Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: 16:43.. now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18:00.. 20:00.. --8---cut here---end---8--- Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul, these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. This introduces a new key in the agenda, v c, which will check for clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around with f and b. To get out of this view, press l to turn off log view, for example. Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking information, I believe this makes it more
Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. Testing and feedback would be much appreciated. Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view, but testing of this would be appreciated as well. Thanks Carsten! I'll take a closer look at this on Tuesday when I'm back in the office. My initial reaction is it's *awesome*! :) Best Regards, Bernt
Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
Am 13.04.2011 17:44, schrieb Rainer Stengele: Hi all! I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. If yes I have to adjust the clocks. I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these or jump to these. Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly regular holes in the ranges, for example - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) - working days (Monday to Friday for example) What do you think? -- Rainer Hi again, I just rediscovered the wonderful C-c C-x C-d (org-clock-display) command to show subtree times in the whole buffer. How could I miss that, being an old org user ... Anyway, I browsed a bit through my headlines and found some huge times. Digging deeper I found some runaway clocks exceeding several days, one even over more than a year. As I do not review all org files for such errors, I would be interested in - finding all clock times longer than x hours (for example 12 hours - I never clock over night) - find all clock times clocking in the weekend (Saturday, Sunday) - finding all clock times lower than y minutes (for example 15 minutes) Are theree any already included functions in Org helping me do that? Best, - Rainer
Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca writes: Hi Rainer and Paul, Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring that the start and end times match over the clocking period. It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you look at the entire clocking data. The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. Maybe something like the following mock up? Day-agenda (W15): Wednesday 13 April 2011 todo:7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: 7:11- 8:00 - Gap - (0:49) org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: todo:8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast todo:9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: 9:30-10:58 - Gap - (1:28) 10:00.. todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: vvv -- Overlap -- vvv todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: ^^^ -- Overlap -- ^^^ todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: 12:00.. 14:00.. 16:00.. 11:16-16:33 - Gap - (5:17) todo: 16:33.. Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: 16:43.. now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18:00.. 20:00.. Regards, Bernt Bernt, that's exactly how I'd envisaged the gap identification, and the overlap highlighting looks great. Paul
Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
Am 13.04.2011 23:06, schrieb Bernt Hansen: Paul Mead paul.d.m...@gmail.com writes: Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@diplan.de writes: I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. If yes I have to adjust the clocks. I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these or jump to these. Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly regular holes in the ranges, for example - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) - working days (Monday to Friday for example) What do you think? -- Rainer I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important for me. Paul Hi Rainer and Paul, Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring that the start and end times match over the clocking period. It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you look at the entire clocking data. The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. Maybe something like the following mock up? --8---cut here---start-8--- Day-agenda (W15): Wednesday 13 April 2011 todo:7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: 7:11- 8:00 - Gap - (0:49) org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: todo:8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast todo:9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: 9:30-10:58 - Gap - (1:28) 10:00.. todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: vvv -- Overlap -- vvv todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: ^^^ -- Overlap -- ^^^ todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: 12:00.. 14:00.. 16:00.. 11:16-16:33 - Gap - (5:17) todo: 16:33.. Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: 16:43.. now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18:00.. 20:00.. --8---cut here---end---8--- Regards, Bernt Bernt, that looks very useful! Regards, Rainer
[O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
Hi all! I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. If yes I have to adjust the clocks. I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these or jump to these. Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly regular holes in the ranges, for example - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) - working days (Monday to Friday for example) What do you think? -- Rainer
