[O] Emacs server and org-protocol
Hi, I am using org-protocol to have my firefox browser talk to my emacs (to capture stuff). I am using Windows 7. So, I cannot use the --daemon flag to simply start a sever (it is not supported under Windows). Instead, I have added a (server-start) line to my .emacs file (init.el). When I run emacs for the first time, everything works correctly (i.e., the server starts and I can connect to it from firefox). However, when I open a second instance of emacs, it processes again the .emacs file and, thus, I get the following error: Warning (server): Unable to start the Emacs server. There is an existing Emacs server, named server. To start the server in this Emacs process, stop the existing server or call `M-x server-force-delete' to forcibly disconnect it. Does anybody know a workaround so that the server is only started once?... maybe in connection to opening a particular .org file? Thanks, Gonzalo
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Gonzalo Camarillo gcama...@gmail.com writes: Does anybody know a workaround so that the server is only started once?... Does the function server-running-p work on windows? If so then you can replace (server-start) with (unless (server-running-p) (server-start)).
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What is the purpose of opening a second instance of emacs ? I precisely tend to avoid it. If the emacs server is running, why not using emacsclient(w) instead of a new instance ? Fabrice 2014-09-17 9:26 GMT+02:00 Gonzalo Camarillo gcama...@gmail.com: Hi, I am using org-protocol to have my firefox browser talk to my emacs (to capture stuff). I am using Windows 7. So, I cannot use the --daemon flag to simply start a sever (it is not supported under Windows). Instead, I have added a (server-start) line to my .emacs file (init.el). When I run emacs for the first time, everything works correctly (i.e., the server starts and I can connect to it from firefox). However, when I open a second instance of emacs, it processes again the .emacs file and, thus, I get the following error: Warning (server): Unable to start the Emacs server. There is an existing Emacs server, named server. To start the server in this Emacs process, stop the existing server or call `M-x server-force-delete' to forcibly disconnect it. Does anybody know a workaround so that the server is only started once?... maybe in connection to opening a particular .org file? Thanks, Gonzalo -- Fabrice Popineau - SUPELEC Département Informatique 3, rue Joliot Curie 91192 Gif/Yvette Cedex Tel direct : +33 (0) 169851950 Standard : +33 (0) 169851212 --
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Fabrice Popineau fabrice.popin...@supelec.fr writes: What is the purpose of opening a second instance of emacs ? I precisely tend to avoid it. There are situations where it can be useful - e.g. using emacs as a news or mail client where the whole process can block for a few seconds.
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Fabrice Popineau fabrice.popin...@supelec.fr writes: What is the purpose of opening a second instance of emacs ? I precisely tend to avoid it. If the emacs server is running, why not using emacsclient(w) instead of a new instance ? I had that setup for quite some time - starting one Emacs server on the console, and then several emacsclients as parts of tmux and stumpwm window configurations. But it crashed too often - and it was just too painful to recover all the emacsclients in all the window-configurations. So nowadays I have one (non-server) Emacs instance for doing the real work, and another server instance which I use for the convenience of getting emacsclients everywhere for some quick adhoc stuff, without caring much when it crashes. -- cheers, Thorsten
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Hi Paul, yes, adding (require 'server) makes the function available. That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the quick response! Cheers, Gonzalo On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk wrote: Gonzalo Camarillo gcama...@gmail.com writes: Does anybody know a workaround so that the server is only started once?... Does the function server-running-p work on windows? If so then you can replace (server-start) with (unless (server-running-p) (server-start)).
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2014-09-17 9:56 GMT+02:00 Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk: Fabrice Popineau fabrice.popin...@supelec.fr writes: What is the purpose of opening a second instance of emacs ? I precisely tend to avoid it. There are situations where it can be useful - e.g. using emacs as a news or mail client where the whole process can block for a few seconds. Yes seconds or even much more. This is the reason I don't use Emacs to read my mail/news anymore :-/ -- Fabrice
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Fabrice Popineau writes: Yes seconds or even much more. This is the reason I don't use Emacs to read my mail/news anymore :-/ If i may ask, which email front-end were you using? (Gnus, perhaps?) i used to use notmuch.el, and currently use mu4e, and basically don't have this issue Alexis.
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Eric S Fraga writes: The issue is not the email front-end per se but the email servers (IMAP, POP, whatever). A couple of years ago, I ended up having to use an email server that would take many seconds, often minutes, to access, even just to query to find out if there was any new email. Well, i run getmail+procmail to fetch and sort my mail, so if a server is running slowly, that doesn't affect Emacs. Emacs is only affected by e.g. mu indexing newly-arrived emails, which is fast enough that i don't notice it. Alexis.
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On Wednesday, 17 Sep 2014 at 18:54, Alexis wrote: [...] If i may ask, which email front-end were you using? (Gnus, perhaps?) i used to use notmuch.el, and currently use mu4e, and basically don't have this issue The issue is not the email front-end per se but the email servers (IMAP, POP, whatever). A couple of years ago, I ended up having to use an email server that would take many seconds, often minutes, to access, even just to query to find out if there was any new email. The easiest solution, for me, was to get into the habit of starting two emacs instances. The first for all my work (org, writing, coding, etc.) and a second just for email. The first starts the emacs server so emacsclient always goes to the non-email instance. I've been doing this for two years now and it has become second nature for me. Obviously, the real fix is to have proper multi-threading in Emacs and, as in nuclear fusion, this will be with us *soon* ;-) -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xFFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.4.50.1 + Ma Gnus v0.12 + evil-git-0469bee : BBDB version 3.1.2 (2014-05-06 11:45:08 -0500) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] Emacs server and org-protocol
2014-09-17 11:06 GMT+02:00 Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk: On Wednesday, 17 Sep 2014 at 18:54, Alexis wrote: [...] If i may ask, which email front-end were you using? (Gnus, perhaps?) i used to use notmuch.el, and currently use mu4e, and basically don't have this issue The issue is not the email front-end per se but the email servers (IMAP, POP, whatever). A couple of years ago, I ended up having to use an email server that would take many seconds, often minutes, to access, even just to query to find out if there was any new email. The easiest solution, for me, was to get into the habit of starting two emacs instances. The first for all my work (org, writing, coding, etc.) and a second just for email. The first starts the emacs server so emacsclient always goes to the non-email instance. I've been doing this for two years now and it has become second nature for me. Obviously, the real fix is to have proper multi-threading in Emacs and, as in nuclear fusion, this will be with us *soon* ;-) I disagree on this. The problem is less servers than the sheer slowness of elisp. And Gnus offers so many fancy opportunities to process your mail that it is easy to overuse it. Emacs won't become any more efficient without switching its own elisp implementation to something with a true compiler (or jit). Threading would gain some responsiveness, but that may not be so obvious nor so easy to implement. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ConcurrentEmacs http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/NoThreading Fabrice
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On Wednesday, 17 Sep 2014 at 11:41, Fabrice Popineau wrote: [...] I disagree on this. The problem is less servers than the sheer slowness of elisp. Sure, elisp is not fast but I it seems to be perfectly fast enough for me for gnus, even on my little OpenPandora. In my case, the limiting factor is the email server and not elisp. YMMV, of course! -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xFFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.4.50.1 + Ma Gnus v0.12 + evil-git-0469bee : BBDB version 3.1.2 (2014-05-06 11:45:08 -0500) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I dont really get what the problem is here, email servers checkup is fast enough, and rss u can use that: nnrss-use-local to ‘t’ and use ‘nnrss-generate-download-script
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Stefan Huchler stefan.huch...@mail.de writes: I dont really get what the problem is here, email servers checkup is Not necessarily - depends which mail server (e.g. gmail or local), if you have one or many folders / tags, your network connection, ... Often used solution: mail server (e.g. gmail) - offlineimap - local imap server - gnus - the user So offlineimap runs in the background and the local email server check is fast enough. I have two instances running, because of longer calculation in my second (non-email) emacs instance... Cheers, Rainer fast enough, and rss u can use that: nnrss-use-local to ‘t’ and use ‘nnrss-generate-download-script -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpSiQ7VoGtAL.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Alexis flexibe...@gmail.com writes: If i may ask, which email front-end were you using? (Gnus, perhaps?) i used to use notmuch.el, and currently use mu4e, and basically don't have this issue My GNUS + IMAP subprocess + Maildir used to lead to long wait times when updating for new mail (g in Groups). Things have now vastly improved since moving my Maildirs to a SSD. -Brett. pgpdCvvL5sXuj.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de writes: Stefan Huchler stefan.huch...@mail.de writes: I dont really get what the problem is here, email servers checkup is Not necessarily - depends which mail server (e.g. gmail or local), if you have one or many folders / tags, your network connection, ... I just did setup the nnrss-download thing and yes mail still takes a bit longer. I dont even see the big problem in waithing here 2 seks or so, dont have to check my mails every 10 mins. What I have more a problem with is that it often hangs have to cancel it at least every seond time. And btw is there a way to update my rss things in emacs every 10 mins automaticly? because if it automaticly downloads every 10 mins the xml files it would make sense taht in gnus u see the new entries automaticly after that. and yes a local email (offline-email-server) would be the solution for mail, but I am to lazy to setup and backup all that data :)
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Stefan Huchler writes: What I have more a problem with is that it often hangs have to cancel it at least every seond time. Sounds like something that might need to be reported as a bug? Alexis.
