Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-08-05 Thread Aaron Ecay
Hi Mark, 2014ko abuztuak 2an, Mark Edgington-ek idatzi zuen: Hi Bastien, I've attached a patch for ox-extra which doesn't yet include the option for choosing specific tag names (the 'ignore' tag is currently hard-coded). Feel free to modify / commit it. Regards, Mark Thanks for

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-08-01 Thread Mark Edgington
Hi Bastien, I've attached a patch for ox-extra which doesn't yet include the option for choosing specific tag names (the 'ignore' tag is currently hard-coded). Feel free to modify / commit it. Regards, Mark On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote: Hi Nicolas, Nicolas

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-07-29 Thread Bastien
Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Filters are _not_ meant to be in core since they are hardly a generic solution for a class of problem. They are entry points for user-level hacking. Generic patches should operate at the parse tree level, not using regexps. Eric's

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-07-28 Thread Rasmus
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: Hi Mark, Aaron, Eric and Nicolas, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Please feel free to add this to ox-extras. I suggest renaming ox-extra.el to ox-filters-extra.el and to have org-mode/lisp/ox-filters.el for filters that are important enough to be

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-07-28 Thread Mark Edgington
Hi Bastien, On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote: I suggest renaming ox-extra.el to ox-filters-extra.el and to have org-mode/lisp/ox-filters.el for filters that are important enough to be in core. Your suggestion sounds sensible, but of course I'm biased, as I've

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-07-28 Thread Bastien
Hi Mark, Aaron, Eric and Nicolas, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Please feel free to add this to ox-extras. I suggest renaming ox-extra.el to ox-filters-extra.el and to have org-mode/lisp/ox-filters.el for filters that are important enough to be in core. I think Eric's filter is

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-07-28 Thread Mark Edgington
Hi Rasmus, Rasmus rasmus at gmx.us writes: Bastien bzg at gnu.org writes: I think Eric's filter is important enough to be in core, together with an option to let users decide what tag should be used instead of ignore (with ignore as a default). How about ignoreheading as this is

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-07-28 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: I suggest renaming ox-extra.el to ox-filters-extra.el and to have org-mode/lisp/ox-filters.el for filters that are important enough to be in core. I think Eric's filter is important enough to be in core, together with an option to let users decide what

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-07-28 Thread Rasmus
Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Hello, Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: I suggest renaming ox-extra.el to ox-filters-extra.el and to have org-mode/lisp/ox-filters.el for filters that are important enough to be in core. I think Eric's filter is important enough to be in core,

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-22 Thread Eric Schulte
Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com writes: Hi Eric, Thanks for your work on this code. Partially inspired by this discussion, I’ve just created contrib/lisp/ox-extras.el, which I hope will become a home for useful export hook functions like this one. Would you like to add your code there (or

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-21 Thread Aaron Ecay
Hi Eric, Thanks for your work on this code. Partially inspired by this discussion, I’ve just created contrib/lisp/ox-extras.el, which I hope will become a home for useful export hook functions like this one. Would you like to add your code there (or would you mind if I did so)? Thanks, --

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-16 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: In my opinion the manual interleaving of noexport and export tags is overly cumbersome and is non-obvious. It is as non-obvious as the task it achieves. The obscure nature of this solution is evidenced by multiple discussions and

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-16 Thread Mark Edgington
Nicolas Goaziou mail at nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Moreover, that task is highly specific; I'm not convinced we should have a dedicated keyword for each of them. I'd rather have a simple solution for selective export problems, even if, as a generic solution, it may look clumsier. Hi Nicolas,

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-16 Thread Eric Schulte
Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Hello, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: In my opinion the manual interleaving of noexport and export tags is overly cumbersome and is non-obvious. It is as non-obvious as the task it achieves. The obscure nature of this solution

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-15 Thread Eric Schulte
Hi, Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Hello, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Why TODO types rather than a tag? IMO using a TODO type would conflate task management and document structuring. What do you think about the attached patch which should add this

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-14 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Why TODO types rather than a tag? IMO using a TODO type would conflate task management and document structuring. What do you think about the attached patch which should add this functionality to the core. Thank you. Unfortunately, in many

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-14 Thread Mark Edgington
Nicolas Goaziou mail at nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Actually, the problem is deeper than that. This :inline: tag is just a convoluted way to ask for a positive answer to another FAQ: « Can I close an outline section without starting a new section? »

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-14 Thread Aaron Ecay
Hi Nicolas, Thanks for your thoughts. 2014ko ekainak 14an, Nicolas Goaziou-ek idatzi zuen: OTOH, the situation could be improved wrt :export: and :noexport: tags. We could allow nesting :export: tags within :noexport: tags with the following rule: the :export: headline with the lowest level

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-14 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Mark Edgington edgi...@gmail.com writes: If I understand your example correctly, it seems like you are assuming that the :inline: tag should promote a section's contents to the level *above* the level of the section having the :inline: tag. I'm always assuming the worst. To me this

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-14 Thread Aaron Ecay
Hi Mark, 2014ko ekainak 14an, Mark Edgington-ek idatzi zuen: [...] It is true that this could sometimes be confusing. For example: * A text1 ** B text2 * C :inline: text3 ** D text 4 would get treated like: * A text1 ** B text2 text3 * D

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-14 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com writes: I’m confused. In the text, you say “promoted to the root level of the tree”, which I expect to mean promotion to a top-level headline. In the example, though, H4 is promoted to second-level. Do you mean “promoted to the level of the highest

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-14 Thread Aaron Ecay
Hi Nicolas, 2014ko ekainak 14an, Nicolas Goaziou-ek idatzi zuen: Hello, Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com writes: I’m confused. In the text, you say “promoted to the root level of the tree”, which I expect to mean promotion to a top-level headline. In the example, though, H4 is promoted

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-13 Thread Eric Schulte
Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Eric, On 2014-06-12 at 20:46, Eric Schulte wrote: Can you suggest a more intuitive/appropriate tag name? I'm not personally partial to inline, it was just the first thing that occurred to me. Previous implementations of similar behavior used the

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-13 Thread Rasmus
Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: I also ran across this need. What I had in mind was that certain todo types would be treated as inline. For instance, if P was a member of this hypothetical org-inline-todo-keywords, then * P a paragraph some contents would be rendered as

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-13 Thread Rasmus
Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Another common (for me) example is to have a heading called * Appendix in a paper, and then the LaTeX \appendix command. The Org heading is just for me. It should not be exported. All headings below the \appendix

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-13 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Another common (for me) example is to have a heading called * Appendix in a paper, and then the LaTeX \appendix command. The Org heading is just for me. It should not be exported.

[O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Mark Edgington
In using org-mode, there is one problem that has always irked me (and is apparently also closely related to the FAQ How do I ignore a headline?). When I am writing something, I sometimes want to group things by concept or by work to be done, or any other number of groupings. BUT I do not want

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Mark Edgington edgi...@gmail.com writes: In using org-mode, there is one problem that has always irked me (and is apparently also closely related to the FAQ How do I ignore a headline?). When I am writing something, I sometimes want to group things by concept or by work to be done, or any

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Mark Edgington
Thorsten Jolitz tjolitz at gmail.com writes: In a tree structure, when ignoring the parent node, it seems only logical that the siblings are ignored too. You seem to use the wrong tool for the task (headlines), this looks like a perfect use case for TAGS, i.e. define your (concept)

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Another common (for me) example is to have a heading called * Appendix in a paper, and then the LaTeX \appendix command. The Org heading is just for me. It should not be exported. All headings below the \appendix command are Org sub-sections but should be

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Mark Edgington edgi...@gmail.com writes: In using org-mode, there is one problem that has always irked me (and is apparently also closely related to the FAQ How do I ignore a headline?). When I am writing something, I sometimes want to group things by concept or by work to be done, or any

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Ken Mankoff
+1 to the OP. On 2014-06-12 at 13:32, Thorsten Jolitz wrote: In a tree structure, when ignoring the parent node, it seems only logical that the siblings are ignored too. I'm found myself in all of the following situations: 1. I want the heading and everything below not-exported 2. I

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Ken Mankoff
On 2014-06-12 at 14:11, Thorsten Jolitz wrote: Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Another common (for me) example is to have a heading called * Appendix in a paper, and then the LaTeX \appendix command. The Org heading is just for me. It should not be exported. All headings below the

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Aaron Ecay
Hi Eric, hi all, 2014ko ekainak 12an, Eric Schulte-ek idatzi zuen: I just ran across this need myself, and updated an old solution to work with the new exporter. See the thread and my solution at the following. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2014-06/msg00238.html It’s

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Nicolas Girard
2014-06-12 20:54 GMT+02:00 Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com: Hi Eric, hi all, 2014ko ekainak 12an, Eric Schulte-ek idatzi zuen: I just ran across this need myself, and updated an old solution to work with the new exporter. See the thread and my solution at the following.

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Nicolas Girard
2014-06-12 21:21 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com: 2014-06-12 20:54 GMT+02:00 Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com: Hi Eric, hi all, I also ran across this need. What I had in mind was that certain todo types would be treated as inline. For instance, if P was a member of this

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Ken Mankoff
On 2014-06-12 at 15:21, Nicolas Girard wrote: I also ran across this need. What I had in mind was that certain todo types would be treated as inline. ... Such a feature is more generic and would be useful in other contexts ; and the LaTeX-related issues discussed in this thread would be

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Nicolas Girard
2014-06-12 21:26 GMT+02:00 Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com: On 2014-06-12 at 15:21, Nicolas Girard wrote: I vote for the following tags: + :noexport: Does not export item, content, and children. + :ignoreheading: Does not export heading. Exports content and children. + :ignorecontent: Does

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Eric Schulte
I also ran across this need. What I had in mind was that certain todo types would be treated as inline. For instance, if P was a member of this hypothetical org-inline-todo-keywords, then * P a paragraph some contents would be rendered as some contents by the exporter, no matter

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Nicolas Girard
2014-06-12 22:13 GMT+02:00 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com: Why TODO types rather than a tag? IMO using a TODO type would conflate task management and document structuring. Agreed. What do you think about the attached patch which should add this functionality to the core. Seems fine

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Nicolas Girard girard.nico...@gmail.com writes: 2014-06-12 22:13 GMT+02:00 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com: Why TODO types rather than a tag? IMO using a TODO type would conflate task management and document structuring. Agreed. What do you think about the attached patch which

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Ken Mankoff
On 2014-06-12 at 16:13, Eric Schulte wrote: What do you think about the attached patch which should add this functionality to the core. Why inline? Org already has inline TODO items which is a different thing. I don't think the word inline signifies that a heading will or won't be exported

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: On 2014-06-12 at 16:13, Eric Schulte wrote: What do you think about the attached patch which should add this functionality to the core. Why inline? Org already has inline TODO items which is a different thing. I don't think the word inline

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Samuel Wales
if i were a newcomer i'd wonder how these affected babel, agenda, etc. maybe noexport, noexportheading, noexportcontent, exportpromotechildren? On 6/12/14, Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com wrote: + :noexport: Does not export item, content, and children. + :ignoreheading: Does not export heading.

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Mark Edgington edgi...@gmail.com writes: In using org-mode, there is one problem that has always irked me (and is apparently also closely related to the FAQ How do I ignore a headline?). When I am writing something, I sometimes want to group things by concept or by work to be done, or any

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Ken Mankoff
Hi Eric, On 2014-06-12 at 20:46, Eric Schulte wrote: Can you suggest a more intuitive/appropriate tag name? I'm not personally partial to inline, it was just the first thing that occurred to me. Previous implementations of similar behavior used the tag prelim. I posted the following

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Mark Edgington
Eric Schulte schulte.eric at gmail.com writes: Ken Mankoff mankoff at gmail.com writes: I don't think the word inline signifies that a heading will or won't be exported and/or its children promoted. Can you suggest a more intuitive/appropriate tag name? Would it be possible /

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Mark Edgington
Eric Abrahamsen eric at ericabrahamsen.net writes: It looks like a groundswell for remove-andor-promote tags for headlines, but for the sake of argument let me propose the use of blocks. It seems to me that something like a generic block (a block that does nothing but delete its begin/end

Re: [O] proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties

2014-06-12 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Mark Edgington edgi...@gmail.com writes: Eric Abrahamsen eric at ericabrahamsen.net writes: It looks like a groundswell for remove-andor-promote tags for headlines, but for the sake of argument let me propose the use of blocks. It seems to me that something like a generic block (a block