Re: [Orgmode] Adding entries to Google calendar
Hi Matt Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com writes: Sven says something about using org-remember to do the same work -- it's not clear to me whether you have that working, Sven. In any case would it be difficult to use org-capture instead of the diary? That would certainly be better for my workflow, since i'm not in my calendar view very often (htough i suppose if i'm making an appointment maybe i ought to be. No, I don't. It is indeed possible to add an advice to org-remember-finalize and I think this could be the right point to start from. But we have to find a way to parse the data from the remember-buffer. Eric's approach is different, because he uses variables that do only occur when using the agenda to diary method. However, I fear that my abilities are to weak for that. I cannot really read and understand complex Lisp packages like org-remember.el or org-capture.el. Greetings, Sven ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Adding entries to Google calendar
Hi Eric Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Alas, there seems no description of the possible syntactical variants available on the web. Yes, Google do not appear to be very forthcoming with their parsing algorithms. I had to do a lot of trial and error, especially to support block entries, and I think the result is fragile at best. So far it works with the language of GoogleCalendar set to US English. 2. We have to isolate the time of day from the diary-entry as a further variable (not as part of the variable text), so that Germans can format the command correctly. Can you help me with that? I this moment (swamped with a project application), all I can suggest is you look at org's time parsing codes for handling new agenda entries. The text must be parsed somewhere... If you use the same code within the advice, you should be able to pick off the times. I'll add this to my todo list but I won't get a chance to play anytime soon unfortunately. Yes, I see. Same for me. I think we can live with this workaround for the moment. Probably (hopefully), GoogleCL will be developped in a way more suited in the near future. Until that happens, we can suggest people to use an English setting of GoogleCalendar. Most org users will probably use Google as a secondary method anyway. That's also my work flow, except of using org-remember k-r instead of i. I like to have everything in one org-file. But I can get used to keep my appointments in a separate diary file. I can refile them to the appropriate places during the weekly review which, then, ends with the upload of a new ics file. Can the diary file not be your all-in-one org file? As far as I see, the entries created by the diary method can't be configured according to level and exact location within the diary.org file. The entries are written in a tree structure beginning with the year at the beginning of the file. This would spoil the organization structure of my main org file. Thanks very much for your help, Sven ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Adding entries to Google calendar
Hi Erik et cal, After having put it off for a ocuple of months finally trying to set this up. I have both halves of Erik's code working now -- the ical2org that syncs from google, and the elisp wrapper on googlecl that syncs from org (see http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2010-07/msg00265.html and http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2010-07/msg00353.html). I'm still having a couple of little workability issues, that I think people on this list have likely already solved, so if I may, briefly: - as I understand it this system will only work with entries that have been added via i in a calendar-mode org agenda view. When I try to add items this way I am never prompted for a time, only a date. Am I missing something here? - Sven says something about using org-remember to do the same work -- it's not clear to me whether you have that working, Sven. In any case would it be difficult to use org-capture instead of the diary? That would certainly be better for my workflow, since i'm not in my calendar view very often (htough i suppose if i'm making an appointment maybe i ought to be. I really appreciate the help -- my time management is severely remedial and I really would like org-mode ot be the tool that fixes that for me. Best, Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Adding entries to Google calendar
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote: - Sven says something about using org-remember to do the same work -- it's not clear to me whether you have that working, Sven. In any case would it be difficult to use org-capture instead of the diary? That would certainly be better for my workflow, since i'm not in my calendar view very often (htough i suppose if i'm making an appointment maybe i ought to be. so, having looked at the code a little more closely, I guess my question is, can erik's defadvice be converted somehow into a hook that gets executed at the end of an org-capture event, provided that the org-capture template is suitably set up? I don't really understand how defadvice works, and where, for instance, ad-get-arg gets its arguments from (so that the relevant calendar fields can be defined properly). Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Adding entries to Google calendar
On 4 Sep 2010 21:49:25 +0200, Sven Bretfeld sven.bretf...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi Eric Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: I'm not sure what you mean about complete. It requires you to have installed the Google command line tools (googlecl from Google Code). However, this emacs lisp code is not what I would call full-featured ;-) There were several problems, most of which I have solved by now. First, I didn't set org-agenda-diary-file. So, calling i from an agenda-view merely opened the default diary file. That's why I wondered when exactly the advice comes into play. (Therefore I suspected the code to be possibly incomplete -- sorry, my fault.) ah! yes, the code is complete but the instructions are not. Now, the principle procedure works. Entries show up in Google after I added them with org-agenda-diary-entry. There is one thing left. You have structured the shell-command according to the American GoogleCL syntax. That's not working with the German locale. For a German GoogleCalendar the only syntax I found working is: [...] Alas, there seems no description of the possible syntactical variants available on the web. Yes, Google do not appear to be very forthcoming with their parsing algorithms. I had to do a lot of trial and error, especially to support block entries, and I think the result is fragile at best. So I did try-and-error: with and without the am and um, with the English on, with ISO formated dates etc etc. Except the above structure 'text am date um time' no combination works. I fear, there are only two solutions: 1. As a workaround I have set my GoogleCalendar to the American locale. With that everything works fine. 2. We have to isolate the time of day from the diary-entry as a further variable (not as part of the variable text), so that Germans can format the command correctly. Can you help me with that? I this moment (swamped with a project application), all I can suggest is you look at org's time parsing codes for handling new agenda entries. The text must be parsed somewhere... If you use the same code within the advice, you should be able to pick off the times. I'll add this to my todo list but I won't get a chance to play anytime soon unfortunately. However, the mechanism is there to support hooking into capture specifically and possibly into org-time-stamp or org-schedule, say. I have tried to work out an advice to org-time-stamp and/or org-remember-finish today. But my Lisp is too weak. I couldn't figure out how to grab the data. Maybe post what you did to this list and somebody might be able to help? I don't use Google calendar for scheduled tasks or deadlines so the latter don't matter to me; I use it for appointments and my work flow is that I always bring up the agenda view to see if my time is free before making the appointment. That's also my work flow, except of using org-remember k-r instead of i. I like to have everything in one org-file. But I can get used to keep my appointments in a separate diary file. I can refile them to the appropriate places during the weekly review which, then, ends with the upload of a new ics file. Can the diary file not be your all-in-one org file? -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Adding entries to Google calendar
Hi to all I try to automatically add newly created dates to GoogleCalendar via GoogleCL. I have tried Eric Fraga's code from: http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2010-07/msg00265.html but I can't get it to work, nor do I understand it (is it complete?). Anyway, his approach depends on adding org-entries to diary. So, as far as I understand it, you have to create new schedules in a rather special way. Most people, I think, use remember, org-capture or insert new dates directly into an org file. What I (and probably others) need is a way to trigger a call of 'google calendar add' as soon as a new date is created by org-remember etc. What would be the best way to do this? Up to now, although a full syncing orgmode with GoogleCalendar is not possible, we are quite close to it thanks to Eric's '2x2 method' and his awk-script solution. But that solves only three quarters of the problem. Informing GoogleCalendar about dates one has created with org still needs the awkward manual import of ics-files via a web-browser. I think there could be a better solution. Greetings, Sven ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Adding entries to Google calendar
On 4 Sep 2010 16:21:08 +0200, Sven Bretfeld sven.bretf...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi to all I try to automatically add newly created dates to GoogleCalendar via GoogleCL. I have tried Eric Fraga's code from: http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2010-07/msg00265.html but I can't get it to work, nor do I understand it (is it complete?). I'm not sure what you mean about complete. It requires you to have installed the Google command line tools (googlecl from Google Code). However, this emacs lisp code is not what I would call full-featured ;-) In any case, what happens when you try to get it to work? The Google command line tools are /fragile/, to say the least, but they do sort of work. What happens if you type google calendar list at the command line? Do the entries in your main Google calendar appear as output? What happens if you type in something like google calendar add Do something interesting at 3pm tomorrow (or similar)? You have to get these working before the emacs lisp code I posted will have a chance of working. Next, the emacs lisp code I posted assumes that you will have created a Google calendar called org (to make it easy to clean up without affecting your main Google calendar). This has to be done via google's calendar web interface directly (link for add below My calendars). After that, you should be able to say things like google calendar list --cal org google calendar add --cal org Do something really exciting at 9pm I hope this helps. Anyway, his approach depends on adding org-entries to diary. So, as far as I understand it, you have to create new schedules in a rather special way. Most people, I think, use remember, org-capture or insert new dates directly into an org file. yes, it is definitely limited in this sense: only entries added via the org-agenda-diary-entry interface can be added. However, the mechanism is there to support hooking into capture specifically and possibly into org-time-stamp or org-schedule, say. I don't use Google calendar for scheduled tasks or deadlines so the latter don't matter to me; I use it for appointments and my work flow is that I always bring up the agenda view to see if my time is free before making the appointment. What I (and probably others) need is a way to trigger a call of 'google calendar add' as soon as a new date is created by org-remember etc. What would be the best way to do this? I'll let others answer this as I will get it wrong (I had been about to suggest some form of org-post-capture-hook but there doesn't seem to be any such variable...). However, all you need to do is extract the information you want to pass to google calendar and then execute the particular command. Up to now, although a full syncing orgmode with GoogleCalendar is not possible, we are quite close to it thanks to Eric's '2x2 method' and his awk-script solution. But that solves only three quarters of the problem. Yes, I agree completely. We're not really close, particularly because you can't inform either org or google about deletions made in the other. Adding in either with links to the other works okay but the inverse is not possible. Informing GoogleCalendar about dates one has created with org still needs the awkward manual import of ics-files via a web-browser. I think there could be a better solution. Well, no, not if you can get the google command line scripts working. Let me know how you get on. eric -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Adding entries to Google calendar
Hi Eric Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: I'm not sure what you mean about complete. It requires you to have installed the Google command line tools (googlecl from Google Code). However, this emacs lisp code is not what I would call full-featured ;-) There were several problems, most of which I have solved by now. First, I didn't set org-agenda-diary-file. So, calling i from an agenda-view merely opened the default diary file. That's why I wondered when exactly the advice comes into play. (Therefore I suspected the code to be possibly incomplete -- sorry, my fault.) Now, the principle procedure works. Entries show up in Google after I added them with org-agenda-diary-entry. There is one thing left. You have structured the shell-command according to the American GoogleCL syntax. That's not working with the German locale. For a German GoogleCalendar the only syntax I found working is: google calendar add --cal org Test am 5.9.2010 um 14:00-16:00 It's not problem, of course, to change the format of the shell-command. But, the German GoogleCalendar doesn't seem to understand commands with the time of day as the first argument. For example: google calendar add --cal org 14:00-16:00 Test am 5.9.2010 results in an entry called Test am (instead of Test) with the correct time of the day but on the wrong calendar day, it is inserted to today's column (Sat 4.9.2010 instead of Sun 5.9.2010). Strangely enough, the correct date occurs nowhere in the entry, so it was not interpreted as part of the text. This shows that we are dealing with a bug in GoogleCL. Alas, there seems no description of the possible syntactical variants available on the web. So I did try-and-error: with and without the am and um, with the English on, with ISO formated dates etc etc. Except the above structure 'text am date um time' no combination works. I fear, there are only two solutions: 1. As a workaround I have set my GoogleCalendar to the American locale. With that everything works fine. 2. We have to isolate the time of day from the diary-entry as a further variable (not as part of the variable text), so that Germans can format the command correctly. Can you help me with that? However, the mechanism is there to support hooking into capture specifically and possibly into org-time-stamp or org-schedule, say. I have tried to work out an advice to org-time-stamp and/or org-remember-finish today. But my Lisp is too weak. I couldn't figure out how to grab the data. I don't use Google calendar for scheduled tasks or deadlines so the latter don't matter to me; I use it for appointments and my work flow is that I always bring up the agenda view to see if my time is free before making the appointment. That's also my work flow, except of using org-remember k-r instead of i. I like to have everything in one org-file. But I can get used to keep my appointments in a separate diary file. I can refile them to the appropriate places during the weekly review which, then, ends with the upload of a new ics file. Thanks for sharing your code and your help Sven ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
