Re: [Orgmode] Orgmode and Unicode characters
Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com writes: The way I see it, within org-mode you wouldn't have to change anything in your input, but C-c C-c or other hot keys would do the change automatically. But I really don't mind if the underlying buffer stays the same, but only the display changes. Yes, I think the underlying buffer should remain the same. Whether you use fancy utf chars to display headings etc should be similar to pretty-entities and font-locking, in my view. Secondly, typing Unicode characters is pretty easy in emacs through its input modes. I have recently working on a special input mode for the key-starved N900 keyboard and it is really simple through quail. For box characters, you may e.g. use input mode rfc1345 through C-\ rfc1345, and then type: rfc1345 is nice; other favourites are =ucs= for the full unicode character set and =tex= which allows you to use latex commands to type in specific characters (e.g. \rightarrow will actually put in →). -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 23.2.1 : using Org-mode version 7.3 (release_7.3.221.gb3e16) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Orgmode and Unicode characters
Even though this announcement looks very cool, this again reminded me of something I've been thinking off when using orgmode. And that is the use of unicode characters. With the latest versions of emacs that support unicode and with rich fonts such as DejaVu Monospace, it is as easy to use unicode characters as ascii. What I was thinking of is that the current ascii graphics of e.g. tables could automatically be switched to box drawing characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-drawing_characters) when pressing C-c or Tab. Other characters that could be used are automatic replacement of leading asterisks to various bullets. Each indentation level could be given a different bullets. E.g. *==▸, **==●, etc. I'm sure that arrows and various brackets may also be useful for various contexts. Of course the use of these characters would be configurable and would be turned off automatically for buffers that are not UTF-8 encoded. Perhaps I'll one day learn the inner workings of org-mode sufficiently to do this myself, but if there is someone who meanwhile wants to pick up the idea, you're welcome! Regards, Dov On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 09:05, Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com wrote: Much easier to read, and I love the nesting/indenting of sub-headings. http://nateneff.com/ - Need to understand org-mode-clockreport-rules.htmlhttp://nateneff.com/org-mode-clockreport-rules.html --Nate ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Orgmode and Unicode characters
If changing the actual character in the file is be the best option (maybe it could cause problems for the exporters), then an approach similar to org-pretty-entities could be used for this. -- Darlan At Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:19:55 +0200, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: Even though this announcement looks very cool, this again reminded me of something I've been thinking off when using orgmode. And that is the use of unicode characters. With the latest versions of emacs that support unicode and with rich fonts such as DejaVu Monospace, it is as easy to use unicode characters as ascii. What I was thinking of is that the current ascii graphics of e.g. tables could automatically be switched to box drawing characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-drawing_characters) when pressing C-c or Tab. Other characters that could be used are automatic replacement of leading asterisks to various bullets. Each indentation level could be given a different bullets. E.g. *==▸, **==●, etc. I'm sure that arrows and various brackets may also be useful for various contexts. Of course the use of these characters would be configurable and would be turned off automatically for buffers that are not UTF-8 encoded. Perhaps I'll one day learn the inner workings of org-mode sufficiently to do this myself, but if there is someone who meanwhile wants to pick up the idea, you're welcome! Regards, Dov On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 09:05, Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com wrote: Much easier to read, and I love the nesting/indenting of sub-headings. http://nateneff.com/ - Need to understand org-mode-clockreport-rules.htmlhttp://nateneff.com/org-mode-clockreport-rules.html --Nate ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Orgmode and Unicode characters
On Dec 6, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: Even though this announcement looks very cool, What does this announcement refer to, Dov? - Carsten this again reminded me of something I've been thinking off when using orgmode. And that is the use of unicode characters. With the latest versions of emacs that support unicode and with rich fonts such as DejaVu Monospace, it is as easy to use unicode characters as ascii. What I was thinking of is that the current ascii graphics of e.g. tables could automatically be switched to box drawing characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-drawing_characters) when pressing C-c or Tab. Other characters that could be used are automatic replacement of leading asterisks to various bullets. Each indentation level could be given a different bullets. E.g. *==▸, **==●, etc. I'm sure that arrows and various brackets may also be useful for various contexts. Of course the use of these characters would be configurable and would be turned off automatically for buffers that are not UTF-8 encoded. Perhaps I'll one day learn the inner workings of org-mode sufficiently to do this myself, but if there is someone who meanwhile wants to pick up the idea, you're welcome! Regards, Dov On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 09:05, Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com wrote: Much easier to read, and I love the nesting/indenting of sub-headings. http://nateneff.com/ - Need to understand org-mode-clockreport- rules.html --Nate ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Orgmode and Unicode characters
My only worry on this front is that I know how to type | and - for tables, and how to type * for headings, but I don't have an easy way to type utf8 characters. If Org-mode starts using exotic utf8 characters which can not easily be typed from outside of Org-mode then it loses some of the it's all plain text appeal. I agree with Darlan that something using Emacs display functionality (like used by org-pretty-entities) could be preferable because it would preserve the underlying text. Best -- Eric Darlan Cavalcante Moreira darc...@gmail.com writes: If changing the actual character in the file is be the best option (maybe it could cause problems for the exporters), then an approach similar to org-pretty-entities could be used for this. -- Darlan At Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:19:55 +0200, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: Even though this announcement looks very cool, this again reminded me of something I've been thinking off when using orgmode. And that is the use of unicode characters. With the latest versions of emacs that support unicode and with rich fonts such as DejaVu Monospace, it is as easy to use unicode characters as ascii. What I was thinking of is that the current ascii graphics of e.g. tables could automatically be switched to box drawing characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-drawing_characters) when pressing C-c or Tab. Other characters that could be used are automatic replacement of leading asterisks to various bullets. Each indentation level could be given a different bullets. E.g. *==▸, **==●, etc. I'm sure that arrows and various brackets may also be useful for various contexts. Of course the use of these characters would be configurable and would be turned off automatically for buffers that are not UTF-8 encoded. Perhaps I'll one day learn the inner workings of org-mode sufficiently to do this myself, but if there is someone who meanwhile wants to pick up the idea, you're welcome! Regards, Dov On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 09:05, Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com wrote: Much easier to read, and I love the nesting/indenting of sub-headings. http://nateneff.com/ - Need to understand org-mode-clockreport-rules.htmlhttp://nateneff.com/org-mode-clockreport-rules.html --Nate ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Orgmode and Unicode characters
The way I see it, within org-mode you wouldn't have to change anything in your input, but C-c C-c or other hot keys would do the change automatically. But I really don't mind if the underlying buffer stays the same, but only the display changes. Secondly, typing Unicode characters is pretty easy in emacs through its input modes. I have recently working on a special input mode for the key-starved N900 keyboard and it is really simple through quail. For box characters, you may e.g. use input mode rfc1345 through C-\ rfc1345, and then type: drhhdl vv vv urhhul which results in: ┌─┐ │ │ └─┘ Obviously the display of these fancy characters is only syntactic suger, but so is the use of font colors in the buffer. Regards, Dov On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 16:58, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com wrote: My only worry on this front is that I know how to type | and - for tables, and how to type * for headings, but I don't have an easy way to type utf8 characters. If Org-mode starts using exotic utf8 characters which can not easily be typed from outside of Org-mode then it loses some of the it's all plain text appeal. I agree with Darlan that something using Emacs display functionality (like used by org-pretty-entities) could be preferable because it would preserve the underlying text. Best -- Eric Darlan Cavalcante Moreira darc...@gmail.com writes: If changing the actual character in the file is be the best option (maybe it could cause problems for the exporters), then an approach similar to org-pretty-entities could be used for this. -- Darlan At Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:19:55 +0200, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: Even though this announcement looks very cool, this again reminded me of something I've been thinking off when using orgmode. And that is the use of unicode characters. With the latest versions of emacs that support unicode and with rich fonts such as DejaVu Monospace, it is as easy to use unicode characters as ascii. What I was thinking of is that the current ascii graphics of e.g. tables could automatically be switched to box drawing characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-drawing_characters) when pressing C-c or Tab. Other characters that could be used are automatic replacement of leading asterisks to various bullets. Each indentation level could be given a different bullets. E.g. *==▸, **==●, etc. I'm sure that arrows and various brackets may also be useful for various contexts. Of course the use of these characters would be configurable and would be turned off automatically for buffers that are not UTF-8 encoded. Perhaps I'll one day learn the inner workings of org-mode sufficiently to do this myself, but if there is someone who meanwhile wants to pick up the idea, you're welcome! Regards, Dov On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 09:05, Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com wrote: Much easier to read, and I love the nesting/indenting of sub-headings. http://nateneff.com/ - Need to understand org-mode-clockreport-rules.html http://nateneff.com/org-mode-clockreport-rules.html --Nate ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
