Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:58:19 +0200, Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org wrote: Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Hi Eric, On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:43:52 Carsten Dominik wrote: There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials directory... Fixed, and the tutorial link now links org-beamer/tutorial.org instead of the directory. What's the presentation.org in that dir? That is the example file referred to by the tutorial and which the reader is encouraged to download! It provides a hopefully useful starting point for the reader's own presentation... Ah, ok. But it was correct not to link it from the index page, right? Yes. That is correct. There should be, however, a link to it from the actual tutorial (I'm offline at the moment so cannot check Worg) under the headings First steps - the export template. -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Thursday 08 July 2010 10:11:03 Eric S Fraga wrote: Ah, ok. But it was correct not to link it from the index page, right? Yes. That is correct. There should be, however, a link to it from the actual tutorial (I'm offline at the moment so cannot check Worg) under the headings First steps - the export template. Yes, there's already a footnote with a link to it. Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:47:35 Eric S Fraga wrote: Hi Eric, --8---cut here---start-8--- * My 2 Column Frame :PROPERTIES: :BEAMER_env: columns :BEAMER_col: 0.5 0.5 :END: - left col text - more left col text - right col text - more right col text --8---cut here---end---8--- I'm sorry Tassilo but I do not understand your point. Lists are not part of an outline structure so there is only one outline component in this example. Yes, that's exactly the point I don't understand in the paragraph Columns *without* additional outline structure in the org-tutorials/org-beamer.org file in Worg. This headline implies (to me) that I can have a slide with many columns but no outline structure, except the headline for the frame itself. It states, that adding the :BEAMER_env: columns property to a slide heading will open a new columns and a column environment, and the end of the slide will close all open environments. But it doesn't tell me how to close a column and start a new one without adding additional outline structure. So that paragraph should be made a bit clearer and include an example. Maybe you can only have a columns environment with only one single column, if you don't add an extra outline structure? Would that make sense? Or maybe the wording of the headline is only misleading, and the author had another intention than what I am reading. Well, I don't know... Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Jul 7, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Tassilo Horn wrote: On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:47:35 Eric S Fraga wrote: Hi Eric, --8---cut here---start-8--- * My 2 Column Frame :PROPERTIES: :BEAMER_env: columns :BEAMER_col: 0.5 0.5 :END: - left col text - more left col text - right col text - more right col text --8---cut here---end---8--- I'm sorry Tassilo but I do not understand your point. Lists are not part of an outline structure so there is only one outline component in this example. Yes, that's exactly the point I don't understand in the paragraph Columns *without* additional outline structure in the org-tutorials/org-beamer.org file in Worg. This headline implies (to me) that I can have a slide with many columns but no outline structure, except the headline for the frame itself. It states, that adding the :BEAMER_env: columns property to a slide heading will open a new columns and a column environment, and the end of the slide will close all open environments. But it doesn't tell me how to close a column and start a new one without adding additional outline structure. So that paragraph should be made a bit clearer and include an example. Maybe you can only have a columns environment with only one single column, if you don't add an extra outline structure? Would that make sense? Or maybe the wording of the headline is only misleading, and the author had another intention than what I am reading. Well, I don't know... Hi Tassilo, the only way to understand this paragraph is historical. In the early days of BEAMER export, Eric Fraga invented a way to make columns using an additional level of outline structure, just for making the columns. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/19895/focus=19895 This worked, but made it difficult to export this file in any other way, because of the extra structure. This was overcome with the BEAMER_col property, and this is what this paragraph and the phrase without additional structure is referring to. The tutorial I wrote on worg is out of date and bad, maybe we should remove it? Does someone (Eric Fraga?) have time to check if there is anything interesting in there that is is still true and not covered by the manual or by Eric's tutorial? If not, we should remove this outdated document. If it adds something, maybe we can move that information? If that is done, maybe we should remove this document. Thanks - Carsten Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
Hi Carsten, the only way to understand this paragraph is historical. I guessed it, thanks for making that clear. In the early days of BEAMER export, Eric Fraga invented a way to make columns using an additional level of outline structure, just for making the columns. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/19895/focus=19895 Interesting. This worked, but made it difficult to export this file in any other way, because of the extra structure. This was overcome with the BEAMER_col property, and this is what this paragraph and the phrase without additional structure is referring to. Ah, ok. So now you don't need an extra outline structure for making a *columns* environment, but you still need it for ending the last *column* and starting a new one. I've though I could go without the latter, too. That would be good for documents you export as presentation but also as article handout. The tutorial I wrote on worg is out of date and bad, maybe we should remove it? Does someone (Eric Fraga?) have time to check if there is anything interesting in there that is is still true and not covered by the manual or by Eric's tutorial? If not, we should remove this outdated document. I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the org-beamer.org file could be deleted. If it adds something, maybe we can move that information? It adds confusion, so we should move that to the texinfo docs!?! ;-) Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Tassilo Horn wrote: Hi Carsten, the only way to understand this paragraph is historical. I guessed it, thanks for making that clear. In the early days of BEAMER export, Eric Fraga invented a way to make columns using an additional level of outline structure, just for making the columns. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/19895/focus=19895 Interesting. This worked, but made it difficult to export this file in any other way, because of the extra structure. This was overcome with the BEAMER_col property, and this is what this paragraph and the phrase without additional structure is referring to. Ah, ok. So now you don't need an extra outline structure for making a *columns* environment, but you still need it for ending the last *column* and starting a new one. I've though I could go without the latter, too. That would be good for documents you export as presentation but also as article handout. The tutorial I wrote on worg is out of date and bad, maybe we should remove it? Does someone (Eric Fraga?) have time to check if there is anything interesting in there that is is still true and not covered by the manual or by Eric's tutorial? If not, we should remove this outdated document. I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the org-beamer.org file could be deleted. If you want, please go ahead and make these changes. The link in Erics tutorial should then point to the manual section, not the preliminary documentation. And on the tutorials pager, the link to the preliminary documentation can be deleted. If it adds something, maybe we can move that information? It adds confusion, so we should move that to the texinfo docs!?! ;-) But move what? I don't think my worg page still adds anything. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Tassilo Horn wrote:
Hi Carsten,
the only way to understand this paragraph is historical.
I guessed it, thanks for making that clear.
In the early days of BEAMER export, Eric Fraga invented a way to make
columns using an additional level of outline structure, just for
making the columns.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/19895/focus=19895
Interesting.
This worked, but made it difficult to export this file in any other
way, because of the extra structure. This was overcome with the
BEAMER_col property, and this is what this paragraph and the phrase
without additional structure is referring to.
Ah, ok. So now you don't need an extra outline structure for making a
*columns* environment, but you still need it for ending the last
*column* and starting a new one.
I've though I could go without the latter, too. That would be good
for
documents you export as presentation but also as article handout.
I guess you could do it with something like
#+BEAMER: {}\begin{column}
#+BEAMER: {}\end{column}
Or, maybe you can talk org-special-blocks.el (contrib dir) into
helping you with this...
- Carsten
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Wednesday 07 July 2010 09:56:49 Carsten Dominik wrote: I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the org-beamer.org file could be deleted. If you want, please go ahead and make these changes. The link in Erics tutorial should then point to the manual section, not the preliminary documentation. I deleted the obsolete org-beamer.org and added a link to the beamer class manual section to Eric's tutorial. So Worg should be ok now. Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:25:00 +0200, Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Wednesday 07 July 2010 09:56:49 Carsten Dominik wrote: I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the org-beamer.org file could be deleted. If you want, please go ahead and make these changes. The link in Erics tutorial should then point to the manual section, not the preliminary documentation. I deleted the obsolete org-beamer.org and added a link to the beamer class manual section to Eric's tutorial. So Worg should be ok now. Bye, Tassilo Excellent. Thanks! And, yes, I'd forgotten about the historical nature of the first document you looked at! Although it was done not so long ago, Carsten's proper implementation of beamer support within org allowed me to very quickly *forget* about the hacks I had done... -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials directory... - Carsten On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:25:00 +0200, Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Wednesday 07 July 2010 09:56:49 Carsten Dominik wrote: I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the org-beamer.org file could be deleted. If you want, please go ahead and make these changes. The link in Erics tutorial should then point to the manual section, not the preliminary documentation. I deleted the obsolete org-beamer.org and added a link to the beamer class manual section to Eric's tutorial. So Worg should be ok now. Bye, Tassilo Excellent. Thanks! And, yes, I'd forgotten about the historical nature of the first document you looked at! Although it was done not so long ago, Carsten's proper implementation of beamer support within org allowed me to very quickly *forget* about the hacks I had done... -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:43:52 Carsten Dominik wrote: There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials directory... Fixed, and the tutorial link now links org-beamer/tutorial.org instead of the directory. What's the presentation.org in that dir? Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:57 +0200, Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:43:52 Carsten Dominik wrote: There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials directory... Fixed, and the tutorial link now links org-beamer/tutorial.org instead of the directory. What's the presentation.org in that dir? Bye, Tassilo That is the example file referred to by the tutorial and which the reader is encouraged to download! It provides a hopefully useful starting point for the reader's own presentation... -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Hi Eric, On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:43:52 Carsten Dominik wrote: There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials directory... Fixed, and the tutorial link now links org-beamer/tutorial.org instead of the directory. What's the presentation.org in that dir? That is the example file referred to by the tutorial and which the reader is encouraged to download! It provides a hopefully useful starting point for the reader's own presentation... Ah, ok. But it was correct not to link it from the index page, right? Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Hi Eric, But my real question was concerning the point Columns without additional outline structure in http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-beamer.php. Especially the sentence The column ends at the next entry with such a property. makes me head-shaking. How can there be a next entry in that frame, if I don't add an additional outline structure? I didn't write this but I think this means that if one column starts at, say, a 2nd level heading (**), the end of content for that column is the next heading at the same level, or the end of the frame (i.e. a heading at a higher level (*)). Well, but then I do have an outline structure. At least that Columns without additional outline structure headline sounded to me like I could have something like this completely hypothetical stuff. --8---cut here---start-8--- * My 2 Column Frame :PROPERTIES: :BEAMER_env: columns :BEAMER_col: 0.5 0.5 :END: - left col text - more left col text - right col text - more right col text --8---cut here---end---8--- Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:36:38 +0200, Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org wrote: Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Hi Eric, But my real question was concerning the point Columns without additional outline structure in http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-beamer.php. Especially the sentence The column ends at the next entry with such a property. makes me head-shaking. How can there be a next entry in that frame, if I don't add an additional outline structure? I didn't write this but I think this means that if one column starts at, say, a 2nd level heading (**), the end of content for that column is the next heading at the same level, or the end of the frame (i.e. a heading at a higher level (*)). Well, but then I do have an outline structure. At least that Columns without additional outline structure headline sounded to me like I could have something like this completely hypothetical stuff. --8---cut here---start-8--- * My 2 Column Frame :PROPERTIES: :BEAMER_env: columns :BEAMER_col: 0.5 0.5 :END: - left col text - more left col text - right col text - more right col text --8---cut here---end---8--- Bye, Tassilo I'm sorry Tassilo but I do not understand your point. Lists are not part of an outline structure so there is only one outline component in this example. Maybe others can chime in here... -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
