Re: [Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:21 AM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This will be in 5.19. Thanks for the proposal!. - Carsten Hi. Have you considered somehow merging the tree selection and minibuffer with completion methods so that both are available simultaneously? Could you please be more specific? Thanks. - Carsten Maybe. :-) Currently, C-u C-c C-c in remember uses this Select a destination location for the note mode where you navigate the org tree in the usual way and then RET to select a headline. On the other hand, org-refile uses the minibuffer and you type a headline, with completion and history. So recently I've been thinking it should be possible (though only arguably desirable) to allow both of these modes to be active at once, so movement commands would navigate the tree and typing commands would append to the minibuffer. There are key conflicts that need to be worked out, but I think it could be done. For one example, TAB could do completion if there is text in the minibuffer, and tree navigation otherwise. Hmm, this sound like over-complx to me. I would use the interface that makes sense most of the time and then move by hand in the remaining cases. Or do you think tat the interface you want is dependent on the template you are using? - Carsten That could be. I'm still very much figuring out what the interface between my brain and org looks like, and not currently using any of the established planning styles. I've only been using the agenda for about half as long as I've been using org for example. From my perspective, I saw two methods to do exactly the same thing(*), which led to thinking about the advantages of each, which led to thinking why not just merge them and have the advantages of both. yes, they do the exact same thing in the way that they achieve the same, but in different ways. However, what you ask for is difficult to program and also (IMO) confusing. I am dropping it for now. If you want to switch between the two interfaces, just define a command that toggles the corresponding variable. Then you can switch just before finishing remember with C-c C-c. - Carsten___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This will be in 5.19. Thanks for the proposal!. - Carsten Hi. Have you considered somehow merging the tree selection and minibuffer with completion methods so that both are available simultaneously? Could you please be more specific? Thanks. - Carsten Maybe. :-) Currently, C-u C-c C-c in remember uses this Select a destination location for the note mode where you navigate the org tree in the usual way and then RET to select a headline. On the other hand, org-refile uses the minibuffer and you type a headline, with completion and history. So recently I've been thinking it should be possible (though only arguably desirable) to allow both of these modes to be active at once, so movement commands would navigate the tree and typing commands would append to the minibuffer. There are key conflicts that need to be worked out, but I think it could be done. For one example, TAB could do completion if there is text in the minibuffer, and tree navigation otherwise. Hmm, this sound like over-complx to me. I would use the interface that makes sense most of the time and then move by hand in the remaining cases. Or do you think tat the interface you want is dependent on the template you are using? - Carsten That could be. I'm still very much figuring out what the interface between my brain and org looks like, and not currently using any of the established planning styles. I've only been using the agenda for about half as long as I've been using org for example. From my perspective, I saw two methods to do exactly the same thing(*), which led to thinking about the advantages of each, which led to thinking why not just merge them and have the advantages of both. (*) Maybe this assumption was wrong? Steve ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
On Jan 18, 2008 10:19 PM, Steven Lumos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered somehow merging the tree selection and minibuffer with completion methods so that both are available simultaneously? I haven't made up my mind about org-refile yet, but I'd like to speak in defense of org-goto. In my setup, when you start typing in org-goto, it automatically enters the isearch mode that searches only headlines, which is very useful for refiling and kind of achieves what you are asking for. This requires some additional elisp code; I can repost it if somebody is interested. As for completion, both org-refile and org-goto should work with icicles but I haven't tried it extensively yet (icicles provides general-purpose extensive completion support for emacs). My main point is that I'd rather vote for making org-mode work well with otherspecialized modes (eg icicles) than for reimplementing the features. Thanks, Piotr ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This will be in 5.19. Thanks for the proposal!. - Carsten Hi. Have you considered somehow merging the tree selection and minibuffer with completion methods so that both are available simultaneously? Could you please be more specific? Thanks. - Carsten Maybe. :-) Currently, C-u C-c C-c in remember uses this Select a destination location for the note mode where you navigate the org tree in the usual way and then RET to select a headline. On the other hand, org-refile uses the minibuffer and you type a headline, with completion and history. So recently I've been thinking it should be possible (though only arguably desirable) to allow both of these modes to be active at once, so movement commands would navigate the tree and typing commands would append to the minibuffer. There are key conflicts that need to be worked out, but I think it could be done. For one example, TAB could do completion if there is text in the minibuffer, and tree navigation otherwise. Hmm, this sound like over-complx to me. I would use the interface that makes sense most of the time and then move by hand in the remaining cases. Or do you think tat the interface you want is dependent on the template you are using? - Carsten Steve Steve On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Hugo Schmitt wrote: Hello everyone! I know Remember allows one to select where we want to file an entry with C-u C-c C-c, but now that we have org-refile (great!), it would be really nice to be able to call org-refile after the text is inserted on it's default place (mine is the Tasks tree on todo.org) Now, I couldn't find a way to insert this nicely into the code, since that is done via the remember command. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Hugo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
On 2008-01-20 14:31 +, Piotr Zielinski wrote: As for completion, both org-refile and org-goto should work with icicles but I haven't tried it extensively yet (icicles provides general-purpose extensive completion support for emacs). My main point is that I'd rather vote for making org-mode work well with otherspecialized modes (eg icicles) than for reimplementing the features. But the problem with icicles is that it might never be included in Emacs. -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. Use the best OS -- http://www.fedoraproject.org/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
I use ido all day, and I find ido-completing-read much nicer/cooler than the default. If anyone wants to try, just change the sexp (completing-read ...) inside org-refile for something like: (if (fboundp 'ido-completing-read) (ido-completing-read Refile to: tbl nil t nil 'org-refile-history) (completing-read Refile to: tbl nil t nil 'org-refile-history)) ... and the good thing is that ido comes with emacs22. Cheers, Hugo On Jan 20, 2008 12:44 PM, Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-01-20 14:31 +, Piotr Zielinski wrote: As for completion, both org-refile and org-goto should work with icicles but I haven't tried it extensively yet (icicles provides general-purpose extensive completion support for emacs). My main point is that I'd rather vote for making org-mode work well with otherspecialized modes (eg icicles) than for reimplementing the features. But the problem with icicles is that it might never be included in Emacs. -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. Use the best OS -- http://www.fedoraproject.org/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This will be in 5.19. Thanks for the proposal!. - Carsten Hi. Have you considered somehow merging the tree selection and minibuffer with completion methods so that both are available simultaneously? Steve On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Hugo Schmitt wrote: Hello everyone! I know Remember allows one to select where we want to file an entry with C-u C-c C-c, but now that we have org-refile (great!), it would be really nice to be able to call org-refile after the text is inserted on it's default place (mine is the Tasks tree on todo.org) Now, I couldn't find a way to insert this nicely into the code, since that is done via the remember command. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Hugo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This will be in 5.19. Thanks for the proposal!. - Carsten Hi. Have you considered somehow merging the tree selection and minibuffer with completion methods so that both are available simultaneously? Could you please be more specific? Thanks. - Carsten Maybe. :-) Currently, C-u C-c C-c in remember uses this Select a destination location for the note mode where you navigate the org tree in the usual way and then RET to select a headline. On the other hand, org-refile uses the minibuffer and you type a headline, with completion and history. So recently I've been thinking it should be possible (though only arguably desirable) to allow both of these modes to be active at once, so movement commands would navigate the tree and typing commands would append to the minibuffer. There are key conflicts that need to be worked out, but I think it could be done. For one example, TAB could do completion if there is text in the minibuffer, and tree navigation otherwise. Steve Steve On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Hugo Schmitt wrote: Hello everyone! I know Remember allows one to select where we want to file an entry with C-u C-c C-c, but now that we have org-refile (great!), it would be really nice to be able to call org-refile after the text is inserted on it's default place (mine is the Tasks tree on todo.org) Now, I couldn't find a way to insert this nicely into the code, since that is done via the remember command. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Hugo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Remember and then refile
On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This will be in 5.19. Thanks for the proposal!. - Carsten Hi. Have you considered somehow merging the tree selection and minibuffer with completion methods so that both are available simultaneously? Could you please be more specific? Thanks. - Carsten Steve On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Hugo Schmitt wrote: Hello everyone! I know Remember allows one to select where we want to file an entry with C-u C-c C-c, but now that we have org-refile (great!), it would be really nice to be able to call org-refile after the text is inserted on it's default place (mine is the Tasks tree on todo.org) Now, I couldn't find a way to insert this nicely into the code, since that is done via the remember command. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Hugo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
