Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
On 11 Nov 2010, at 14:17, John Hendy wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ I've been using mindmaps as a presentation tool and have had very positive reactions from the audience. - The overview is almost always in sight. - It's easy to move to the next topic (you need software that can collapse and expand subtrees, most of them do) - You can leave two or more topics open (depends on the size of course) - It's easy to go back to a previous point. - You can edit things if needed. - It's different. OK, that last point might not be a real benefit, but it is often refreshing to the audience, and it grabs the attention pretty well :-) Cheers, Peter.___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll Looking around the net I found the following javascript that seems that it could do the job: http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy2/#%283%29 How difficult would it be to connect it to org-mode? Am I right that it would simply be a relatively small rewrite of org-s5.el? Regards, Dov ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
On 11/11/10 1:48 PM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: * org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll You can toggle s5 between slide view and ordinary web page view in the midst of a presentation. This also helps the audience realize that you're using something /way/ cooler than Powerpoint... :) Yours, Christian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
Thanks. Didn't know that. But it seems like you are then placed in the beginning of the html-page and have to search for the position of the slide that you were at. Not something that you are likely to want to do in the middle of a presentation. (This might make the audience long for PowerPoint...) Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:08, Christian Moe m...@christianmoe.com wrote: On 11/11/10 1:48 PM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: * org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll You can toggle s5 between slide view and ordinary web page view in the midst of a presentation. This also helps the audience realize that you're using something /way/ cooler than Powerpoint... :) Yours, Christian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were hardware and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it all on a single screen full. Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were hardware and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it all on a single screen full. Hmmm. Not on LInux right now -- I'll have to check. I know it zooms in on an area but not sure how it would handle a bigger-than-full-screen slide. My guess is that it would scale it to fit the page which would obviously not be what you want. What about prezi, then? No orgmode integration but seems to be the least powerpoint-ish and reminiscent of the olden days? http://prezi.com/ John Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:38, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: What about prezi, then? No orgmode integration but seems to be the least powerpoint-ish and reminiscent of the olden days? http://prezi.com/ You've got any idea of how to conceptually map a orgmode document into the non-linear mode of prezi? It certainly supports scrolling, though. Dov John Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:38, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: What about prezi, then? No orgmode integration but seems to be the least powerpoint-ish and reminiscent of the olden days? http://prezi.com/ You've got any idea of how to conceptually map a orgmode document into the non-linear mode of prezi? It certainly supports scrolling, though. Not really! Though I wouldn't be surprised if most people use prezi more for the animations/transitions/uniqueness than really using the non-linearity. Does that make sense? As in, I know you can go to slide 1 (or zoom in on some area as your slide 1), move on to some other things and then quickly whip back to slide 1 as you say, Now, remember this information I spoke of earlier? Let's look at how that's affected by what I just referred to or something like that. I guess I'm taking non-linear to mean how you navigate through the information, not solely the fact that prezi is on a huge canvas and thus not a sequence (linear) of slides. If you just mean the ability to revisit things... I think there should definitely be a way to put your presentation together in advance so you revisit various things and make the appearance of non-linearity. But it will still be fullscreen slides showing one after another, not twirling and whirling around a canvas. Dov John Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
If you want scrolling, why don't you simply make a presentation using HTML with Org-mode? I mean, just show someone a webpage or two? Please understand I'm only curious, not hostile. To me, I just don't see why you'd want to combine presentations and scrolling... to me, the advantage of presentations is their fixed size. It forces me to focus on key points due to the limited real estate on each slide. Why not just make an outline in HTML (with all the pretty charts and graphs inserted) and project your talking points on a screen? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were hardware and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it all on a single screen full. Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Jeffrey Horn Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics George Mason University (704) 271-4797 jh...@gmu.edu jrhorn...@gmail.com http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
In principle I agree with you 99percent of the time, as descrete slides define the pace of the lecture, but at the same time I'm against arbitrary limitations. And not being able to scroll is imho such a limitation. Here are a couple of examples that I believe justifies scrolling: * A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses contents. * A tall graph, e.g a flow chart. In this sence I think that htmlslidy is better than s5. -- Sent from my Nokia N900 - Original message - If you want scrolling, why don't you simply make a presentation using HTML with Org-mode? I mean, just show someone a webpage or two? Please understand I'm only curious, not hostile. To me, I just don't see why you'd want to combine presentations and scrolling... to me, the advantage of presentations is their fixed size. It forces me to focus on key points due to the limited real estate on each slide. Why not just make an outline in HTML (with all the pretty charts and graphs inserted) and project your talking points on a screen? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were hardware and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it all on a single screen full. Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Jeffrey Horn Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics George Mason University (704) 271-4797 jh...@gmu.edu jrhorn...@gmail.com http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
* A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses contents. * A tall graph, e.g a flow chart. These are great examples of the point of being able to scroll. In fact, I haven't needed to do either of these yet in my lectures, so I didn't realize the value of scrolling. But if scrolling and zooming are essential... well, those are already built into the browser, so why not just use HTML (or org-mode translated to HTML)? You can always break up a slide by creating different pages and link them all together. I guess linking is the value added of something like slidy... -- Jeffrey Horn Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics George Mason University (704) 271-4797 jh...@gmu.edu jrhorn...@gmail.com http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-mode and htmlslidy
I tried warping s5-org this morning into slidy-org and I finally got it to work with one small remaining problem. In the resulting HTML I have: div id=outline-container-2 class=outline-2 which I want to change to: div id=outline-container-2 class=class What is the best way of changing that? I saw that s5-org is using some jquery rewrites of the xml tree. Is that the best way of solving it? Is there a possibility of doing this change directly in org-mode without javascript? Thanks! Dov On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 04:27, Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com wrote: * A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses contents. * A tall graph, e.g a flow chart. These are great examples of the point of being able to scroll. In fact, I haven't needed to do either of these yet in my lectures, so I didn't realize the value of scrolling. But if scrolling and zooming are essential... well, those are already built into the browser, so why not just use HTML (or org-mode translated to HTML)? You can always break up a slide by creating different pages and link them all together. I guess linking is the value added of something like slidy... -- Jeffrey Horn Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics George Mason University (704) 271-4797 jh...@gmu.edu jrhorn...@gmail.com http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
