Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
At Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:32:21 -0700, Baoqiu Cui wrote: Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote: One more: How about this one: For question two I currently have: We should win because by letting people shape their productive selves, org-mode has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. Just now I thought of We should win because Org-mode truely changes the way how it's users Either truly changes the way that its users or truly changes how its users do everything, and has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. We can just say ... truly changes the way its users do everything, Overall this answer looks very good to me! Baoqiu May I suggest we lose the word 'truly'? It makes it seem like we're trying too hard. Org-mode either changes the way we do everything, or it doesn't. Cameron Horsburgh Blog: http://spiritcry.wordpress.com/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dan Davison wrote: Ian Barton li...@manor-farm.org writes: Carsten Dominik wrote: One more: How about this one: For question two I currently have: We should win because by letting people shape their productive selves, org-mode has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. Just now I thought of We should win because Org-mode truely changes the way how it's users do everything, and has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. - Carsten Grammatical nit picking: We should win because Org-mode changes the way its users do everything and has spawned the world's best community of life hackers. I'd vote against restating the category title (Most Likely to Change the Way You Do Everything) in the first half of the sentence. It is slightly better with Carsten's truly, but still kind of begs the question. So I'd say stay with the original version (with a slight preference for 'evolve' over 'shape'.) OK, lets just stick with the old one, using evolve. Discussion closed, I propose... - Carsten Dan Ian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
And... maybe not make it about winning the SourceForge contest? It sounds a little too pre-occupied with the contest itself. My late 2c. Scot On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Dan Davison davi...@stats.ox.ac.ukwrote: Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules OK. Attached picture is 640x545 and has the darker green buttons again (funny actually, I did that as one of the last steps, so 3 Ctrl.-z's did the trick). Nice work, I like the way this is ending up. One thing, if it's still negotiable: I find STRT pretty cryptic -- I'd vote for TODO instead. Dan How about the *.xcf file? If anyone is interested in that, I could send it offlist. It's 1 MB - not too big. Best Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I actually do like the fact that the text is concernted with the competition, but I agree that the headline win sourceforge award is maybe too much. And, yes, STRT is cryptic, even though I like these keywords to have the same length. Here is a proposal for a slightly changed text in the image. Sebastian, could we try this? - Carsten inline: text-for-logo.png On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Scot Becker wrote: And... maybe not make it about winning the SourceForge contest? It sounds a little too pre-occupied with the contest itself. My late 2c. Scot On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Dan Davison davi...@stats.ox.ac.uk wrote: Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules OK. Attached picture is 640x545 and has the darker green buttons again (funny actually, I did that as one of the last steps, so 3 Ctrl.- z's did the trick). Nice work, I like the way this is ending up. One thing, if it's still negotiable: I find STRT pretty cryptic -- I'd vote for TODO instead. Dan How about the *.xcf file? If anyone is interested in that, I could send it offlist. It's 1 MB - not too big. Best Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: I actually do like the fact that the text is concernted with the competition, but I agree that the headline win sourceforge award is maybe too much. And, yes, STRT is cryptic, even though I like these keywords to have the same length. Here is a proposal for a slightly changed text in the image. Sebastian, could we try this? Yes, no problem. Sebastian - Carsten On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Scot Becker wrote: And... maybe not make it about winning the SourceForge contest? It sounds a little too pre-occupied with the contest itself. My late 2c. Scot On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Dan Davison davi...@stats.ox.ac.uk wrote: Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules OK. Attached picture is 640x545 and has the darker green buttons again (funny actually, I did that as one of the last steps, so 3 Ctrl.- z's did the trick). Nice work, I like the way this is ending up. One thing, if it's still negotiable: I find STRT pretty cryptic -- I'd vote for TODO instead. Dan How about the *.xcf file? If anyone is interested in that, I could send it offlist. It's 1 MB - not too big. Best Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Sebastian Rose, EMMA STIL - mediendesign, Niemeyerstr.6, 30449 Hannover Tel.: +49 (0)511 - 36 58 472 Fax: +49 (0)1805 - 233633 - 11044 mobil: +49 (0)173 - 83 93 417 Email: s.r...@emma-stil.de, sebastian_r...@gmx.de Http: www.emma-stil.de ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Looks good, I think, and I hope everyone agrees. Thanks. - Carsten On Jun 13, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: I actually do like the fact that the text is concernted with the competition, but I agree that the headline win sourceforge award is maybe too much. And, yes, STRT is cryptic, even though I like these keywords to have the same length. Here is a proposal for a slightly changed text in the image. Sebastian, could we try this? Here is the Logo/Screenshot with the new text. Carsten, I'll send you the whole package (psd, eps...) once we agreed, OK? org-uni-as-logo-2.png ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Looks good, I think, and I hope everyone agrees. Yes, it looks terrific! -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Run with it! On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 06:49:49PM +0200, Bastien wrote: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Looks good, I think, and I hope everyone agrees. Yes, it looks terrific! -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
One more: How about this one: For question two I currently have: We should win because by letting people shape their productive selves, org-mode has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. Just now I thought of We should win because Org-mode truely changes the way how it's users do everything, and has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik wrote: One more: How about this one: For question two I currently have: We should win because by letting people shape their productive selves, org-mode has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. Just now I thought of We should win because Org-mode truely changes the way how it's users do everything, and has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. - Carsten Grammatical nit picking: We should win because Org-mode changes the way its users do everything and has spawned the world's best community of life hackers. Ian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Ian Barton li...@manor-farm.org writes: Carsten Dominik wrote: One more: How about this one: For question two I currently have: We should win because by letting people shape their productive selves, org-mode has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. Just now I thought of We should win because Org-mode truely changes the way how it's users do everything, and has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. - Carsten Grammatical nit picking: We should win because Org-mode changes the way its users do everything and has spawned the world's best community of life hackers. I'd vote against restating the category title (Most Likely to Change the Way You Do Everything) in the first half of the sentence. It is slightly better with Carsten's truly, but still kind of begs the question. So I'd say stay with the original version (with a slight preference for 'evolve' over 'shape'.) Dan Ian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote: One more: How about this one: For question two I currently have: We should win because by letting people shape their productive selves, org-mode has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. Just now I thought of We should win because Org-mode truely changes the way how it's users Either truly changes the way that its users or truly changes how its users do everything, and has spawned the best community of life hackers in the world. Thanks, Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On 12 Jun 2009, at 00:59, Memnon Anon wrote: Hi! Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: On 2009-06-11 21:49 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png That screen shot looks very beautiful. There's one minor glitch. The font is non anti-alias. I agree, the screenshot is nice and shows some of the great features of orgmode. I just want to add another think for consideration: Pictures often give people their first impression of a software, as stupid as it is. What do you all think of the used colors? I'm afraid I have to agree... The first impression I had was Auw... Too many heavy colors, big non-aliased text... It lacks a certain style, which is a pity because org-mode itself has plenty of it. I'm also not sure the unicorn should be pasted into the window like that, as if it is part of the content. Sorry I can't be more constructive at this time :-( Cheers, and all the luck! Peter. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On 12 Jun 2009, at 05:58, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Memnon Anon wrote: Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: On 2009-06-11 21:49 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png That screen shot looks very beautiful. There's one minor glitch. The font is non anti-alias. Pictures often give people their first impression of a software, as stupid as it is. What do you all think of the used colors? I do to some extend agree with you. The buffer picture does look very colored and a bit unrealistic. A real buffer would look less colored because the distribution between text and functional elements would be different. These lines are so short to make them readable at all in a screenshot. Will readable lines make the case? It all boils down to the question you pose: what's its function?. I actually do use these colors currently and find them quite workable. I think there's a difference between what's workable and what's `attractive at first sight'. These days everything must be web20, soft, polished, nice graphics, ... Too attract people, it must not be workable, but pretty. I agree with the poster about the 90s look. If the function of the screenshot/logo is to attract people and make them click through, it must be appealing AND pick their interest. The one screenshot on worg with the R plots has some of those qualities, but I think it's too dark and contains too much info (window is too big for a scaled-down screenshot). The alternative --only the logo-- is not bad, but I would add a slogan, such as Your life in plain text; short and bold. The logo by itself is not well-known and might not invoke this Hey, what would that be? Let me see! reaction. Hmmm, are there any marketeers on this list? Cheers, Peter. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I'm afraid I have to agree... The first impression I had was Auw... Too many heavy colors, big non-aliased text... It lacks a certain style, which is a pity because org-mode itself has plenty of it. Attached is another picture proposal, hopefully a bit more stylish. It uses the zenburn theme, anti-aliased fonts, etc. It certainly lack things we would like to demonstrate, like links, footnotes, etc. But I tried to make it simple. I'm also not sure the unicorn should be pasted into the window like that, as if it is part of the content. I think it okay to have the Unicorn, maybe just a bit smaller. Please have a look at this alternative picture and let us know. I like it. Also I like the Unicorn and for the purposes of this graphic I don't think it matters that it looks as though it's part of the text. You could always put a 10 paragraph disclaimer under it: Contents of the box may differ from those shown. Items displayed may not always be available in the colour shown, etc. Ian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Bastien writes: Hi Peter and all, Please have a look at this alternative picture and let us know. This is excellent! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com writes: What about changing the project's name to `OM'? That'd shave 6 more chars! ;-) Yes :) Also, let's tell the truth to save some more characters: We won because ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 12, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Memnon Anon wrote: Hi! Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: On 2009-06-11 21:49 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png That screen shot looks very beautiful. There's one minor glitch. The font is non anti-alias. I personally dislike a too heavily colored look. Especially given the fact, that the headlines in this screenshot are short and the keywords long (cf. STARTED - Invite speakers [2/3]), ~~~ ~ (colored) this results in a fruit salad like impression I think is rather distracting. What about a using a *little* bit more decent coloring? If people only do as much as clicking through to the homepage, they will see an image with less color there, and this will adjust their expectation I am sure. We cannot know what people will like to look at in advance. Maybe they'll be lucky to see a screenshot with less colors to rest their eyes on it. In the web, The current `mainstream' tends to clean pages with lots of empty space and a light background I think (e.g. emacs defaults). But what does that say? Nothing. What I mean to say is, that it makes no sense to take into account what people (...cultural diversity...) might think about it as long as they won't take offence of our products. Same holds true for the 140 character sentences. It should be done the Org-mode way - and Org-mode is extremely flexible. Org-mode would accept something between 100 and 160 characters I believe :) Basically I would suggest to take an existing screenshot. We have one screenshot here and as long as there is no alternative, I'm more than fine with it. The new unicorn is great. Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: I think it's nicer when the unicorn looks the other way. I've added a few effects, but it might be too much? (it's a bit too centered now.) Wow! Nice. I actually like this effect, as it makes clear that the Unicorn has been added on the screenshot. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Peter Frings peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Take 3: glossy + mirrored :-) Nicely done... I tend to prefer the previous one. I feel the 3D depth is a bit too large. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
This picture looks great. I kinda like the first one Carsten sent out that some though was too colorful. That shot also highlighted the fact that keys were 'special'. This shot is dangerously close to look like we're just passing off a colorized outline. I wonder if we could put together something that showed a little bit both screen shots. It would demonstrate one piece of org-mode's flexibility/tailor-ability. Overall though, good work! I like how the example text explains to the viewer what he is seeing. Edd On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:26 AM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: last attempt... with small jpg. (reposted with smaller image size) On 12 Jun 2009, at 12:34, Bastien wrote: Peter Frings peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Take 3: glossy + mirrored :-) Nicely done... I tend to prefer the previous one. I feel the 3D depth is a bit too large. yep :-) Take 4: Kappa kappa? ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
2009/6/12 Eddward DeVilla eddw...@gmail.com: This picture looks great. I kinda like the first one Carsten sent out that some though was too colorful. That shot also highlighted the fact that keys were 'special'. This shot is dangerously close to look like we're just passing off a colorized outline. I wonder if we could put together something that showed a little bit both screen shots. It would demonstrate one piece of org-mode's flexibility/tailor-ability. Overall though, good work! I like how the example text explains to the viewer what he is seeing. Agreed, the colourful one Carsten sent is still my favourite too! I understand people might not like the strong colours, but lighter colours risk being lost on whatever page this shot is included on. Plus I love the revised unicorn! I may be biased though as I'm also using the same pmade colour theme. R. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Thank you all for this discussion and contribution! I am at a loss which we should choose now. I have put the pictures both on orgmode.org/i.html lets have a vote, or some more discussion. - Carsten On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:46 PM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: On 12 Jun 2009, at 15:10, Bastien wrote: peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Take 4: Mhh.. yes! I like it more like that. One small (last?) request: would it be possible to have a light grey color instead of the white band on the right? I think it would be faithful to the idea, while being more visually sound. You mean like this? Take 5: org-uni4.jpgmime-attachment.txt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I am really nobody to comment in this thread... Just a silent user of this great package... But I saw the screen-shots and I thought that hey! where's the powerful, highly customizable agenda? I think it is one of the greatest aspects of org-mode, and guess that should be somehow included too... Just my 2 cents... Chipping in.. :) Regards, Saurabh. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Eddward DeVilla eddw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Carsten Dominikcarsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Dan Davison wrote: John Rakestraw li...@johnrakestraw.com writes: Hi Carsten and the list -- I really like the ideas, and I'm trying merely to shorten -- see suggestions below. --John I also do like Brian's description a lot. But it is 190 characters, I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much? I have been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures the essence. Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the power of Emacs. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features hidden until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. (unless (string-match Our project is a sourceforge-submission-sentence 0) (message shouldn't we follow the instructions?)) 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. This is a good point, maybe they will be picky about it. Also, I am now thinking the 140 chars, what to the english native speakers here think: Is this includin or excluding the given sentence start? Our project is a tool to master personal/project data your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. - Carsten Just a little nit, but should we play up the emacs part? (... backed by the power of Emacs.) It is an important part of org-mode power, but I'm just thinking about the emacs/vi flame wars and people who might not be able to see past that fact that it's just an emacs editing mode to give org-mode a fair look. If we want to attract the emacs fans, I think the screen shot will make it obvious to them. Anyhow, it's just a thought. It looks like everything is coming together good. Edd 2. Complete this sentence, also in about 140 characters: We should win because [-bar-]. For example, We should win because we have a strong community and we solve a universal problem. We should win because by allowing people to evolve their productive selves, org-mode has created one of the best communities in the open-source world. We should win because org-mode, by making users more productive, has spawned one of the best communities in the open-source world. 3. Please provide a logo (or screenshot, if you'd prefer) for your project. It should be at least 640x480, but we'll also be showing it as a thumbnail. I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png (((Thanks to Greg Newman for fixing up the unicorn and pasting it nicely into the screenshot - any objections against this picture? Note that it needs to work as a thumbnail as well, which this one will, I believe.))) For the time being, I am sending you this link, which is a Google Tech Talk by me (Carsten Dominik, main author of Org-mode). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTwQvgfgMM Before the deadline you should get another email from Bastien Guerry, with a link to a new video which we made just for this occasion. If so, please link to that video instead. 5. In some cases, I'm mailing several people in your community because I don't know who the right person is. If you're not the right person for me to be dealing with, please let me know. I certainly don't want to be irritating. Main address: carsten.domi...@gmail.com Secondary address: bastiengue...@googlemail.com 6. Our finalists are usually pretty interesting people. Are you willing to be contacted by our public relations team about interviews with the press? Yes. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik said unto the world at 12/06/09 10:16 AM: Thank you all for this discussion and contribution! I am at a loss which we should choose now. I have put the pictures both on orgmode.org/i.html lets have a vote, or some more discussion. - Carsten I like the first one on the page (subdued colours, left-looking unicorn) better. - It is clear that the logo is not actually part of the screenshot. - The item `Show off some of Org's features' provides useful information not present in the other screenshot. - The colour scheme looks better to my eye. I'd suggest adding a few checkbox items to the `Show off' item. `Clocking tasks,' `Simple spreadsheet,' `Export to html and LaTeX,' and `Quick capture with remember' seem useful. Finally, while I hope I am wrong about this, I suspect that it would be better were the day abbreviations in English. Best to all, Brian vdB ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
RE: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Rick Moynihan wrote: I think using analogy and metaphor might be a more effective way to get the message across in 140 characters. So rather than describing org-mode features in this constraint are we not better using the opportunity to pique curiosity? I'd been mulling this one over for a while. Don't know how good/apt others think these are: Org-mode: stop texting your friends and start texting your life. or Org-mode, for when you're ready to text your life. Something along those lines. Of course this collapses utterly if you don't use the expression texting to mean sending a text message via the SMS on a mobile/cell phone. It's common in the UK; beyond there, I don't know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_messaging -- Chris Randle ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Peter Frings peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: For those that prefer the stronger colors... FWIW: I was more skeptical about the visual complexity of the screenshot than about the deep color contrasts (which I like). More Carsten's colors with the todo.org file I just sent would be the right balance?... -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I do find this latest screen shot too long, with too much text/info on it. What the source forge people were asking for was logo, or, if you prefer, a screen shot. This sounds to me that they will show it in a logo-like way, first a very small version as a thumbnail, than the full sized version with extra info, likely including a link to the project homepage. It is really not that I think I should be deciding this, but it still seems that a more poster-like shot does fulfil this function better. The latest version with improved fonts (by making them bold, don't know how to antialias) is orgmode.org/org-uni6.jpg - Carsten On Jun 12, 2009, at 5:45 PM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: On 12 Jun 2009, at 17:34, Bastien wrote: Hi all, Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com writes: I'd suggest adding a few checkbox items to the `Show off' item. `Clocking tasks,' `Simple spreadsheet,' `Export to html and LaTeX,' and `Quick capture with remember' seem useful. I attach todo.org which contains some of the suggested modifications. Capture with remember sounds familiar to Org users, but it may not ring a bell to other people. Finally, while I hope I am wrong about this, I suspect that it would be better were the day abbreviations in English. Sure! Fixed in the file. todo.orgorg-soft.png Peter: would you mind adding the Unicorn to this screenshot? Sure! No prob! Take lost count org-uni7.jpg ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 09:08, Carsten Dominikcarsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote: What the source forge people were asking for was logo, or, if you prefer, a screen shot. This sounds to me that they will show it in a logo-like way, first a very small version as a thumbnail, than the full sized version with extra info, likely including a link to the project homepage. Perhaps just a logo, then.? A single screenshot cannot show everything, but a web page can. -- Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death and severe suffering, worse than MS. Conflicts of interest are destroying research. /You/ can get the disease at any time permanently. Do science and justice matter to you? http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
+1 for Sebastian's picture (org-uni6.jpg) Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: Here is a suggestion for more logo like version based on the colored version. After winning the award, the unicorn should get a laurel wreath or crown for a while :) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:46:23PM +0200, Sebastian Rose wrote: Here is a suggestion for more logo like version based on the colored version. After winning the award, the unicorn should get a laurel wreath or crown for a while :) Ooh, yes... +1 for me. -- Cameron Horsburgh Blog: http://spiritcry.wordpress.com/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Great! On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 09:53:44PM +0200, Sebastian Rose wrote: Here is my last attempt, I promise. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Hi Sebastian, please make this you second-to-last attempt. This is great, we should go for it, I like it! However, the green in DONE is wrong, too bright. Could you go back to a darker green? Otherwise I can my have my friend fix that detail. For the rest, thanks for helping us out of this stalemate. Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules Thanks - Carsten On Jun 12, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: Here is my last attempt, I promise. org-uni-as-logo.jpg___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Hi Sebastian, please make this you second-to-last attempt. This is great, we should go for it, I like it! However, the green in DONE is wrong, too bright. Could you go back to a darker green? Otherwise I can my have my friend fix that detail. Yes, I've changed it, but I can reverse that change again. For the rest, thanks for helping us out of this stalemate. Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules It's 510x434 currently. But I've saved it as *.xcf so scaling should be no problem (as all the texts are still text layers). Just a minute... ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
2009/6/12 Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules OK. Attached picture is 640x545 and has the darker green buttons again (funny actually, I did that as one of the last steps, so 3 Ctrl.-z's did the trick). How about the *.xcf file? If anyone is interested in that, I could send it offlist. It's 1 MB - not too big. +1 to Sebastian's new pic! R. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules OK. Attached picture is 640x545 and has the darker green buttons again (funny actually, I did that as one of the last steps, so 3 Ctrl.-z's did the trick). Nice work, I like the way this is ending up. One thing, if it's still negotiable: I find STRT pretty cryptic -- I'd vote for TODO instead. Dan How about the *.xcf file? If anyone is interested in that, I could send it offlist. It's 1 MB - not too big. Best Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I also do like Brian's description a lot. But it is 190 characters, I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much? I have been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures the essence. Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the power of Emacs. 2. Complete this sentence, also in about 140 characters: We should win because [-bar-]. For example, We should win because we have a strong community and we solve a universal problem. We should win because by allowing people to evolve their productive selves, org-mode has created one of the best communities in the open-source world. 3. Please provide a logo (or screenshot, if you'd prefer) for your project. It should be at least 640x480, but we'll also be showing it as a thumbnail. I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png (((Thanks to Greg Newman for fixing up the unicorn and pasting it nicely into the screenshot - any objections against this picture? Note that it needs to work as a thumbnail as well, which this one will, I believe.))) For the time being, I am sending you this link, which is a Google Tech Talk by me (Carsten Dominik, main author of Org-mode). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTwQvgfgMM Before the deadline you should get another email from Bastien Guerry, with a link to a new video which we made just for this occasion. If so, please link to that video instead. 5. In some cases, I'm mailing several people in your community because I don't know who the right person is. If you're not the right person for me to be dealing with, please let me know. I certainly don't want to be irritating. Main address: carsten.domi...@gmail.com Secondary address: bastiengue...@googlemail.com 6. Our finalists are usually pretty interesting people. Are you willing to be contacted by our public relations team about interviews with the press? Yes. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Hi Carsten and the list -- I really like the ideas, and I'm trying merely to shorten -- see suggestions below. --John I also do like Brian's description a lot. But it is 190 characters, I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much? I have been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures the essence. Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the power of Emacs. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features hidden until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. 2. Complete this sentence, also in about 140 characters: We should win because [-bar-]. For example, We should win because we have a strong community and we solve a universal problem. We should win because by allowing people to evolve their productive selves, org-mode has created one of the best communities in the open-source world. We should win because org-mode, by making users more productive, has spawned one of the best communities in the open-source world. 3. Please provide a logo (or screenshot, if you'd prefer) for your project. It should be at least 640x480, but we'll also be showing it as a thumbnail. I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png (((Thanks to Greg Newman for fixing up the unicorn and pasting it nicely into the screenshot - any objections against this picture? Note that it needs to work as a thumbnail as well, which this one will, I believe.))) For the time being, I am sending you this link, which is a Google Tech Talk by me (Carsten Dominik, main author of Org-mode). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTwQvgfgMM Before the deadline you should get another email from Bastien Guerry, with a link to a new video which we made just for this occasion. If so, please link to that video instead. 5. In some cases, I'm mailing several people in your community because I don't know who the right person is. If you're not the right person for me to be dealing with, please let me know. I certainly don't want to be irritating. Main address: carsten.domi...@gmail.com Secondary address: bastiengue...@googlemail.com 6. Our finalists are usually pretty interesting people. Are you willing to be contacted by our public relations team about interviews with the press? Yes. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- John Rakestraw ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik said unto the world at 11/06/09 04:49 PM: I also do like Brian's description a lot. But it is 190 characters, I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much? I have been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures the essence. Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the power of Emacs. Hi all, I'm glad my contribution was of some use. I noticed it was too long only after I sent it. (I plead sending at 02:30 and a life as yet innocent of tweets and sms :-) `data' for `information' shaves off a fair bit. Best, Brian vdB ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
John Rakestraw li...@johnrakestraw.com writes: Hi Carsten and the list -- I really like the ideas, and I'm trying merely to shorten -- see suggestions below. --John I also do like Brian's description a lot. But it is 190 characters, I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much? I have been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures the essence. Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the power of Emacs. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features hidden until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. (unless (string-match Our project is a sourceforge-submission-sentence 0) (message shouldn't we follow the instructions?)) 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. 2. Complete this sentence, also in about 140 characters: We should win because [-bar-]. For example, We should win because we have a strong community and we solve a universal problem. We should win because by allowing people to evolve their productive selves, org-mode has created one of the best communities in the open-source world. We should win because org-mode, by making users more productive, has spawned one of the best communities in the open-source world. 3. Please provide a logo (or screenshot, if you'd prefer) for your project. It should be at least 640x480, but we'll also be showing it as a thumbnail. I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png (((Thanks to Greg Newman for fixing up the unicorn and pasting it nicely into the screenshot - any objections against this picture? Note that it needs to work as a thumbnail as well, which this one will, I believe.))) For the time being, I am sending you this link, which is a Google Tech Talk by me (Carsten Dominik, main author of Org-mode). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTwQvgfgMM Before the deadline you should get another email from Bastien Guerry, with a link to a new video which we made just for this occasion. If so, please link to that video instead. 5. In some cases, I'm mailing several people in your community because I don't know who the right person is. If you're not the right person for me to be dealing with, please let me know. I certainly don't want to be irritating. Main address: carsten.domi...@gmail.com Secondary address: bastiengue...@googlemail.com 6. Our finalists are usually pretty interesting people. Are you willing to be contacted by our public relations team about interviews with the press? Yes. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I think using analogy and metaphor might be a more effective way to get the message across in 140 characters. So rather than describing org-mode features in this constraint are we not better using the opportunity to pique curiosity? And align ourselves with the OSCON audience? After all not even worg, the org manual and the years of discussions on this list have managed to adequately describe org-mode! Attempting to do so in 140 characters seems impossible... How about? Org is the life hacker's tool of choice; you'll hack productivity into your schedule, like you use Emacs to cut code! Org is the life hacker's swiss army knife. Sharp, quick and powerful you'll use it to cut deadlines and craft your own path to productivity. Below are what I think are some slight improvements to previous suggestions: 2009/6/11 John Rakestraw li...@johnrakestraw.com: Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features hidden until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. Org-mode masters personal, project information your way, in plain text, with features hidden until needed and all the power of Emacs! We should win because org-mode, by making users more productive, has spawned one of the best communities in the open-source world. We should win because org-mode, makes users more productive, spawning one of the best communities in the open-source world. We should win because org-mode, makes users more productive, spawning the best community of life hackers in the world. We should win because org-mode empowers the worlds greatest life hacker community to cut deadlines and craft a path to productivity. We should win because org-mode has spawned a community of life hackers, sharing shortcuts on the brisk walk of productivity R. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Org is the life hacker's tool of choice; you'll hack productivity into your schedule, like you use Emacs to cut code! Org is the life hacker's swiss army knife. Sharp, quick and powerful you'll use it to cut deadlines and craft your own path to productivity. Rick++ -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On Jun 12, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Memnon Anon wrote: Hi! Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: On 2009-06-11 21:49 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png That screen shot looks very beautiful. There's one minor glitch. The font is non anti-alias. I agree, the screenshot is nice and shows some of the great features of orgmode. I just want to add another think for consideration: Pictures often give people their first impression of a software, as stupid as it is. What do you all think of the used colors? I personally dislike a too heavily colored look. Especially given the fact, that the headlines in this screenshot are short and the keywords long (cf. STARTED - Invite speakers [2/3]), ~~~ ~ (colored) this results in a fruit salad like impression I think is rather distracting. What about a using a *little* bit more decent coloring? Hi Memnon, I do to some extend agree with you. The buffer picture does look very colored and a bit unrealistic. A real buffer would look less colored because the distribution between text and functional elements would be different. These lines are so short to make them readable at all in a screenshot. I actually do use these colors currently and find them quite workable. The main issue here is: what if the function of this picture? It will be on a page together with 9 other colorful logos or screenshots. If we show just a window of text, it will look complete boring in this context, and then I'd much rather use only the Unicorn. If people only do as much as clicking through to the homepage, they will see an image with less color there, and this will adjust their expectation I am sure. - Carsten On the other hand, I know lots of people love heavy use of intense colors, so maybe this really is the best way to get the right impression out there. What do you think? How do your org files look like? memnon ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On Jun 12, 2009, at 2:08 AM, Russell Adams wrote: Org is the life hacker's tool of choice; you'll hack productivity into your schedule, like you use Emacs to cut code! Org is the life hacker's swiss army knife. Sharp, quick and powerful you'll use it to cut deadlines and craft your own path to productivity. Rick++ I would disagree. This really sound like yet another GTD app. - Carsten -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Dan Davison wrote: John Rakestraw li...@johnrakestraw.com writes: Hi Carsten and the list -- I really like the ideas, and I'm trying merely to shorten -- see suggestions below. --John I also do like Brian's description a lot. But it is 190 characters, I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much? I have been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures the essence. Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the power of Emacs. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features hidden until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. (unless (string-match Our project is a sourceforge-submission- sentence 0) (message shouldn't we follow the instructions?)) 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. This is a good point, maybe they will be picky about it. Also, I am now thinking the 140 chars, what to the english native speakers here think: Is this includin or excluding the given sentence start? Our project is a tool to master personal/project data your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. - Carsten 2. Complete this sentence, also in about 140 characters: We should win because [-bar-]. For example, We should win because we have a strong community and we solve a universal problem. We should win because by allowing people to evolve their productive selves, org-mode has created one of the best communities in the open-source world. We should win because org-mode, by making users more productive, has spawned one of the best communities in the open-source world. 3. Please provide a logo (or screenshot, if you'd prefer) for your project. It should be at least 640x480, but we'll also be showing it as a thumbnail. I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png (((Thanks to Greg Newman for fixing up the unicorn and pasting it nicely into the screenshot - any objections against this picture? Note that it needs to work as a thumbnail as well, which this one will, I believe.))) For the time being, I am sending you this link, which is a Google Tech Talk by me (Carsten Dominik, main author of Org-mode). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTwQvgfgMM Before the deadline you should get another email from Bastien Guerry, with a link to a new video which we made just for this occasion. If so, please link to that video instead. 5. In some cases, I'm mailing several people in your community because I don't know who the right person is. If you're not the right person for me to be dealing with, please let me know. I certainly don't want to be irritating. Main address: carsten.domi...@gmail.com Secondary address: bastiengue...@googlemail.com 6. Our finalists are usually pretty interesting people. Are you willing to be contacted by our public relations team about interviews with the press? Yes. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Dan Davison wrote: John Rakestraw li...@johnrakestraw.com writes: Hi Carsten and the list -- I really like the ideas, and I'm trying merely to shorten -- see suggestions below. --John I also do like Brian's description a lot. But it is 190 characters, I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much? I have been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures the essence. Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the power of Emacs. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features hidden until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. (unless (string-match Our project is a sourceforge-submission-sentence 0) (message shouldn't we follow the instructions?)) 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. This is a good point, maybe they will be picky about it. Also, I am now thinking the 140 chars, what to the english native speakers here think: Is this includin or excluding the given sentence start? Our project is a tool to master personal/project data your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. I haven't contributed anything to this project, so I feel a little funny suggesting anything. But I really like org mode and hope you win, so here's another version: Our project is an extensible outliner that lets you collect your thoughts in a text file in Emacs and organizes them to make them useful. Congratulations and good luck! --Gray ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 12, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Memnon Anon wrote: Hi! Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: On 2009-06-11 21:49 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png That screen shot looks very beautiful. There's one minor glitch. The font is non anti-alias. I just want to second this point about font anit-ailising. For better or worse, I'm scared that for people scanning through many pictures, the only take-away from this image will be that the font looks like it's from the early 90s. Best -- Eric ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik said unto the world at 12/06/09 12:10 AM: On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Dan Davison wrote: snip (unless (string-match Our project is a sourceforge-submission-sentence 0) (message shouldn't we follow the instructions?)) 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. This is a good point, maybe they will be picky about it. Also, I am now thinking the 140 chars, what to the english native speakers here think: Is this includin or excluding the given sentence start? I'm not doing so well at following instructions for this task :-[ To this native English speaking ear, it naturally interprets as asking for approx. 140 chars to be added to the `Our project is' lead in. However, the phrasing is a bit ambiguous. What about changing the project's name to `OM'? That'd shave 6 more chars! ;-) Best, Brian vdB ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
RE: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten, That's almost perfect--just a couple of minor changes: We should win because by allowing people to evolve their productive selves, org-mode has created one of the best communities in the open-source world. --Don Womick -Original Message- From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+don.womick=cingular@gnu.org [mailto:emacs-orgmode-bounces+don.womick=cingular@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Carsten Dominik Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: Carsten Dominik Cc: [orgmode] list Subject: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award Here are my own entries, partially building on what I have received so far: 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode wields the power of Emacs to create a stunningly simple and incredibly powerful organizational tool that will change your life. 2. Complete this sentence, also in about 140 characters: We should win because [-bar-]. For example, We should win because we have a strong community and we solve a universal problem. We should win because by allowing people to evolve their productive self, it has created one of the best communities in the open-source world. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
