Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-21 Thread Matt Price
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 3:32 AM Emmanuel Charpentier < emm.charpent...@free.fr> wrote: > Le mardi 20 juillet 2021 à 02:55 -0400, Matt Price a écrit : > > Certainly citation of personal communications is common in the fields of > history and philosophy of science, where it represents an effort to

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-20 Thread Denis Maier
Am 20.07.2021 um 15:50 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 8:50 AM Denis Maier wrote: This leads to problems with automatic citations, especially when you also use "ibid." and such... Bla [cite:@doe]. Blabla (Gen 1). Bla [cite:@doe]. => Bla (Doe 2020). Blabla (Gen 1). Bla

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 8:50 AM Denis Maier wrote: > > Certainly in the CSL world, this has never been supported, and I don't > > ever recall it ever coming up (though I'm sure someone on the Zotero > > forum raised it at some point) > > I'm pretty sure I've brought that up at some point :-)

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-20 Thread Denis Maier
Am 20.07.2021 um 13:41 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 8:48 PM John Kitchin wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 7:28 PM Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: In natbib there is \citetext{priv.\ comm.} which is used to add a textual citation to the bibliography that doesn't have a key

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-20 Thread Stefan Nobis
John Kitchin writes: > Who is to say why someone would bother. It is a command on page two > of http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf that > one can use. Hmmm... but I would say that the natbib command \citetext is more a helper/workaround for the missing prefix/suffix

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 8:48 PM John Kitchin wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 7:28 PM Emmanuel Charpentier > wrote: >> >> > In natbib there is \citetext{priv.\ comm.} which is used to add a >> > textual citation to the bibliography that doesn't have a key >> > associated with it. >> >>

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-20 Thread Emmanuel Charpentier
Le mardi 20 juillet 2021 à 02:55 -0400, Matt Price a écrit : > Certainly citation of personal communications is common in the fields > of history and philosophy of science, where it represents an effort > to responsibly represent the source of ideas owed to other persons. I don't dispute that. >

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-20 Thread Emmanuel Charpentier
Le lundi 19 juillet 2021 à 20:47 -0400, John Kitchin a écrit : [ Snip... ] > It is also possible to use  \nocite{*} as a cite, which includes all > references from a bibliography, and yet contains no key. Hence your reluctance to work from a set of larger databases, which would include

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-20 Thread Matt Price
Certainly citation of personal communications is common in the fields of history and philosophy of science, where it represents an effort to responsibly represent the source of ideas owed to other persons. It's not really a question of whether you personally would do it; it's a question of

Re: org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-19 Thread John Kitchin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 7:28 PM Emmanuel Charpentier < emm.charpent...@free.fr> wrote: > > In natbib there is \citetext{priv.\ comm.} which is used to add a > > textual citation to the bibliography that doesn't have a key > > associated with it. > > Hmmm... why should you bother to reference a

org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-19 Thread Emmanuel Charpentier
> In natbib there is \citetext{priv.\ comm.} which is used to add a > textual citation to the bibliography that doesn't have a key > associated with it. Hmmm... why should you bother to reference a personal communication ? Such private communications may be mentionned in the text (possibly by a

org-cite: how to include a cite with no key?

2021-07-19 Thread John Kitchin
In natbib there is \citetext{priv.\ comm.} which is used to add a textual citation to the bibliography that doesn't have a key associated with it. I don't see a way to get something like that in org-cite, since it seems that a key is always required. This isn't currently recognized as a cite,