Re: trivial software engineering'ish question: switching org's
Maxim, also, thanks. i do use (something like) your suggestion when i just want to try once or twice. : emacs -Q -L /path/to/your/org-mode/folder/lisp -l org (from Ihor R, last December.) cheers, Greg
Re: trivial software engineering'ish question: switching org's
On 22/03/2021 00:44, Greg Minshall wrote: hi. i occasionally want to switch from the org package to a git version, then back again. and, i want to avoid the dread "mixed installation". Do you really need to switch or just to launch it a couple of times? Is it required to run namely compiled version? Actually I am unsure if the following way is reliable or it has some problems that I have not discovered yet. emacs -q -L ~/src/org-mode/lisp -L ~/src/org-mode/contrib/lisp file.org Unfortunately -L (--directory) options are processed after ~/.emacs.d/init.el, that is why -q (--no-init-file) is added. I had (require 'org-protocol) in init.el file and a part of org bundled with emacs were loaded before processing of -L. If there is no setup for alternative org version, the file could be loaded after -L options using -l ~/emacs.d/init.el (--load), alternatively a bit cleaned variant of init.el from another directory could be specified. I do not recommend to skip contrib directory. I noticed that due to system-wide configs some files could be loaded from older org contrib.
Re: trivial software engineering'ish question: switching org's
Tim and Gustav, thanks for your answers. in particular, straight.el does seem promising. i'll set it up, use it with Tim's "switching use-package blocks", and see how it goes. cheers, Greg
Re: trivial software engineering'ish question: switching org's
Straight.el is worth looking into for this. Has served me well for similar use cases. BR Gustav Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Emacs-orgmode on behalf of Tim Cross Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 10:35:00 PM To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: trivial software engineering'ish question: switching org's Greg Minshall writes: > hi. i occasionally want to switch from the org package to a git > version, then back again. and, i want to avoid the dread "mixed > installation". > > i'm wondering is there a way people do this other than simply > installing/deleting the package version? > As I understand it, the critical part is when Emacs compiles the org files to get the *.elc versions. Provided you do not have any org functionality loaded during that compilation process, everything should be OK. The 'mixed' versions problem arises because you go to compile a different version and Emacs includes definitions already loaded from another version, generating *.elc files with mixed versions. Once org is compiled, the critical part is having the org version you want show up first in the load-path, so the problem becomes one of just managing the load-path entries appropriately. You could just ensure the version you want is higher in the load-path or you could go the 'paranoid' route and have code which removes the version you don't want from the load-path. In the past, what I've done is have the git version of org in a specific directory which I build with a separate process from the command line using the make recipes in the repository - essentially just configuring and running make. I then have some code in my init.el file which sets that version at the start of my load-path when I want to run it and which I comment out when I just want to run the version installed by package.el. I also use the use-package macro to load my org configuration and have two different blocks for that - one loading the git repo version and one loading the org-plus-contrib version I normally use. I just comment out the one I don't want to use. I probably could write some elisp to automate this, but to be honest, I switch between org versions so rarely, commenting/uncommenting parts of my init.el file is easy enough. I don't do any of that at the moment as I've not needed to run from the git repo since I switched to spacemacs and the spacemacs setup already has the necessary workflow to ensure new versions of org are compiled in a clean environment. Have not yet thought about how I will need to add git based org when using spacemacs. Suspect All I'll need to do is adjust the load-path as part of the init to reference the git sources before any org functionality is loaded. -- Tim Cross
Re: trivial software engineering'ish question: switching org's
> On Mar 21, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Greg Minshall wrote: > > hi. i occasionally want to switch from the org package to a git > version, then back again. and, i want to avoid the dread "mixed > installation". > > i'm wondering is there a way people do this other than simply > installing/deleting the package version? > > cheers, Greg > The nix package manager is outstanding for these uses. You can have two versions of emacs — each with a different version of org — side by side, or switch between them without needing to re-byte compile anything. Anthony
Re: trivial software engineering'ish question: switching org's
Greg Minshall writes: > hi. i occasionally want to switch from the org package to a git > version, then back again. and, i want to avoid the dread "mixed > installation". > > i'm wondering is there a way people do this other than simply > installing/deleting the package version? > As I understand it, the critical part is when Emacs compiles the org files to get the *.elc versions. Provided you do not have any org functionality loaded during that compilation process, everything should be OK. The 'mixed' versions problem arises because you go to compile a different version and Emacs includes definitions already loaded from another version, generating *.elc files with mixed versions. Once org is compiled, the critical part is having the org version you want show up first in the load-path, so the problem becomes one of just managing the load-path entries appropriately. You could just ensure the version you want is higher in the load-path or you could go the 'paranoid' route and have code which removes the version you don't want from the load-path. In the past, what I've done is have the git version of org in a specific directory which I build with a separate process from the command line using the make recipes in the repository - essentially just configuring and running make. I then have some code in my init.el file which sets that version at the start of my load-path when I want to run it and which I comment out when I just want to run the version installed by package.el. I also use the use-package macro to load my org configuration and have two different blocks for that - one loading the git repo version and one loading the org-plus-contrib version I normally use. I just comment out the one I don't want to use. I probably could write some elisp to automate this, but to be honest, I switch between org versions so rarely, commenting/uncommenting parts of my init.el file is easy enough. I don't do any of that at the moment as I've not needed to run from the git repo since I switched to spacemacs and the spacemacs setup already has the necessary workflow to ensure new versions of org are compiled in a clean environment. Have not yet thought about how I will need to add git based org when using spacemacs. Suspect All I'll need to do is adjust the load-path as part of the init to reference the git sources before any org functionality is loaded. -- Tim Cross
trivial software engineering'ish question: switching org's
hi. i occasionally want to switch from the org package to a git version, then back again. and, i want to avoid the dread "mixed installation". i'm wondering is there a way people do this other than simply installing/deleting the package version? cheers, Greg
