Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org Special Ctrl A/E, option reversed
Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com writes: Bastien: As you are wearing the Carsten-hat for the moment, it strikes me that Rainer's expectation that a documented value for the variable would be available in the customization value-menu is reasonable. Perhaps the reversed option ought to be added to that menu? Alas, I can't patch---it really is but a bit of elisp that I've got. Actually this option is already available from customize -- it is set when you choose the true line boundary first behavior. I have slightly edited the docstring of this variable to make this clearer: When set to the symbol `reversed', the first `C-a' or `C-e' works normally, going to true line boundary first. Only a directly following, identical keypress will bring the cursor to the special positions. Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org Special Ctrl A/E, option reversed
Rainer Stengele said unto the world at 15/07/09 01:48 AM: On 15.07.2009 05:47, Brian van den Broek wrote: Rainer Stengele said unto the world at 14/07/09 05:25 AM: hi all, , | Org Special Ctrl A/E: Hide Value Value Menu after stars/bullet and before tags first | State: EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it. | Non-nil means `C-a' and `C-e' behave specially in headlines and items. Hide Rest snip | When set to the symbol `reversed', the first `C-a' or `C-e' works normally, | and only a directly following, identical keypress will bring the cursor | to the special positions. snip | Groups: Org Edit Structure ` How can I set this variable to reversed, as indicated in the paragraph before the last one? The Value Menu does not include such a value. Rainer Hi Rainer, Put (setq org-special-ctrl-a/e 'reversed) into your .emacs. Best, Brian vdB Hi Brian, thanks, that's intuitive ... I just thought the value could be set in the variable customisation. Have a nice day, Rainer Hi Rainer, I mostly use customization for discovery and prefer to maintain my configuration independently of its interface. If you've a bit of elisp (that's all I've got ;-) it's generally pretty easy to figure out such things. Bastien: As you are wearing the Carsten-hat for the moment, it strikes me that Rainer's expectation that a documented value for the variable would be available in the customization value-menu is reasonable. Perhaps the reversed option ought to be added to that menu? Alas, I can't patch---it really is but a bit of elisp that I've got. Best, Brian vdB ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org Special Ctrl A/E, option reversed
Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com wrote: Bastien: As you are wearing the Carsten-hat for the moment, it strikes me that Rainer's expectation that a documented value for the variable would be available in the customization value-menu is reasonable. Perhaps the reversed option ought to be added to that menu? Alas, I can't patch---it really is but a bit of elisp that I've got. Here's the defcustom for this variable (found by C-h v org-special-ctrl-a/e RET and then clicking on the file link in the *Help* buffer): , | (defcustom org-special-ctrl-a/e nil | Non-nil means `C-a' and `C-e' behave specially in headlines and items. | | When t, `C-a' will bring back the cursor to the beginning of the | headline text, i.e. after the stars and after a possible TODO keyword. | In an item, this will be the position after the bullet. | When the cursor is already at that position, another `C-a' will bring | it to the beginning of the line. | | `C-e' will jump to the end of the headline, ignoring the presence of tags | in the headline. A second `C-e' will then jump to the true end of the | line, after any tags. | | When set to the symbol `reversed', the first `C-a' or `C-e' works normally, | and only a directly following, identical keypress will bring the cursor | to the special positions. | | This may also be a cons cell where the behavior for `C-a' and `C-e' is | set separately. | :group 'org-edit-structure | :type '(choice | (const :tag off nil) | (const :tag after stars/bullet and before tags first t) | (const :tag true line boundary first reversed) | (cons :tag Set C-a and C-e separately | (choice :tag Special C-a | (const :tag off nil) | (const :tag after stars/bullet first t) | (const :tag before stars/bullet first reversed)) | (choice :tag Special C-e | (const :tag off nil) | (const :tag before tags first t) | (const :tag after tags first reversed) | ` As you can see, the reversed setting is available from the value menu, under the tag true line boundary first. So it is there, but perhaps not obviously. HTH, Nick PS BTW, I share your general dislike of the customization interface, but I have always thought that I am in the minority on that. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org Special Ctrl A/E, option reversed
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:52, Nick Dokosnicholas.do...@hp.com wrote: I have always thought that I am in the minority on that. I think that many people share the opinion. I wrote a list of suggestions to help-gnu-emacs and bug-gnu-emacs, but somebody needs to implement them. -- Myalgic encephalomyelitis makes you die decades early (Jason et al. 2006) and suffer severely. Conflicts of interest are destroying research. Silence = death. Again. http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org Special Ctrl A/E, option reversed
On 15.07.2009 05:47, Brian van den Broek wrote: Rainer Stengele said unto the world at 14/07/09 05:25 AM: hi all, , | Org Special Ctrl A/E: Hide Value Value Menu after stars/bullet and before tags first | State: EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it. | Non-nil means `C-a' and `C-e' behave specially in headlines and items. Hide Rest snip | When set to the symbol `reversed', the first `C-a' or `C-e' works normally, | and only a directly following, identical keypress will bring the cursor | to the special positions. snip | Groups: Org Edit Structure ` How can I set this variable to reversed, as indicated in the paragraph before the last one? The Value Menu does not include such a value. Rainer Hi Rainer, Put (setq org-special-ctrl-a/e 'reversed) into your .emacs. Best, Brian vdB ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode Hi Brian, thanks, that's intuitive ... I just thought the value could be set in the variable customisation. Have a nice day, Rainer ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org Special Ctrl A/E, option reversed
On 15.07.2009 05:47, Brian van den Broek wrote: Rainer Stengele said unto the world at 14/07/09 05:25 AM: hi all, , | Org Special Ctrl A/E: Hide Value Value Menu after stars/bullet and before tags first | State: EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it. | Non-nil means `C-a' and `C-e' behave specially in headlines and items. Hide Rest snip | When set to the symbol `reversed', the first `C-a' or `C-e' works normally, | and only a directly following, identical keypress will bring the cursor | to the special positions. snip | Groups: Org Edit Structure ` How can I set this variable to reversed, as indicated in the paragraph before the last one? The Value Menu does not include such a value. Rainer Hi Rainer, Put (setq org-special-ctrl-a/e 'reversed) into your .emacs. Best, Brian vdB ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode Hi Brian, thanks, that's intuitive ... I just thought the value could be set in the variable customisation. Have a nice day, Rainer ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
