Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-08-04 Thread Phillip Lord
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: Hi all, after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical question. Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a few custom exporters, I'm writing a

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-30 Thread Oleh Krehel
Hi Aaron, Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com writes: Besides, CC-BY-NC-SA is compatible with GPL! Compatible. With GPL. This isn’t correct. -NC licenses are non-Free (in the FSF sense of the word): https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#CC-BY-NC -SA licenses are Free, but not

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-29 Thread Aaron Ecay
Hi Oleh, 2015ko uztailak 28an, Oleh Krehel-ek idatzi zuen: Besides, CC-BY-NC-SA is compatible with GPL! Compatible. With GPL. This isn’t correct. -NC licenses are non-Free (in the FSF sense of the word): https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#CC-BY-NC -SA licenses are Free, but not

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Andreas Hilboll
Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GNU_General_Public_Licensesection=11#Libraries Most useful quote: The Free Software Foundation (which holds the copyright of several notable GPL-licensed software products and of the license text itself) asserts that an executable which

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Oleh Krehel
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: As Oleh Krehel pointed out in a reply to another mail of yours, if your code links to org-mode code (or other GPL code) you cannot release it under a different license. I'm not sure about how linking is intended in Elisp sense of ('require)ing a

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Oleh Krehel
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 19:04, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] Nope. As stated by someone here (Oleh, I guess), if I (require 'org), or possibly even just write Elisp, and want to distribute it, it has to be GPL. I do not think this is true. I

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Oleh Krehel
Andreas Hilboll li...@hilboll.de writes: Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GNU_General_Public_Licensesection=11#Libraries Most useful quote: The Free Software Foundation (which holds the copyright of several notable GPL-licensed software products and of the license text

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Andreas Hilboll
On 28.07.2015 11:30, Oleh Krehel wrote: Andreas Hilboll li...@hilboll.de writes: Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GNU_General_Public_Licensesection=11#Libraries Most useful quote: The Free Software Foundation (which holds the copyright of several notable GPL-licensed

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Oleh Krehel
Andreas Hilboll li...@hilboll.de writes: However, when the interpreter is extended to provide “bindings” to other facilities (often, but not necessarily, libraries), the interpreted program is effectively linked to the facilities it uses through these bindings. So if these facilities are

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Tuesday, 28 Jul 2015 at 11:00, Oleh Krehel wrote: Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Anyway, I think we've beaten this to death already. Time to get real work done! :-) That is my usual approach: label everything I write with GPL and not think about it:) It's just that most posts

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Tuesday, 28 Jul 2015 at 10:07, Oleh Krehel wrote: [...] Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GNU_General_Public_Licensesection=11#Libraries Most useful quote: The Free Software Foundation (which holds the copyright of several notable GPL-licensed software products and

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Oleh Krehel
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Anyway, I think we've beaten this to death already. Time to get real work done! :-) That is my usual approach: label everything I write with GPL and not think about it:) It's just that most posts about GPL cast it in a bad light: I think it's the best

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-28 Thread Paul Rudin
Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com writes: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: Hi all, after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical question. Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Rainer M Krug
Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com writes: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: Hi all, after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical question. Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de writes: These packages all depend on R itself. So isn't this the same as in emacs / elisp? Isn't an exporter / .el file the same as a package in R, something which enhances the original product using a provided interface (the functions) but does not change

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Rainer M Krug
Andreas Hilboll li...@hilboll.de writes: On 27.07.2015 15:09, Greg Troxel wrote: Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de writes: These packages all depend on R itself. So isn't this the same as in emacs / elisp? Isn't an exporter / .el file the same as a package in R, something which enhances the

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical question. Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a few custom exporters, I'm I will assume that you

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 15:09, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de writes: These packages all depend on R itself. So isn't this the same as in emacs / elisp? Isn't an exporter / .el file the same as a package in R, something which enhances the original product using

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Oleh Krehel
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: Hi all, after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical question. Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a few custom exporters, I'm writing a

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:16, Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com wrote: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: Hi all, after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical question. Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd.

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
Hello Marcin, On 27/07/15 14:10, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a few custom exporters, I'm writing a tutorial on them, and I consider publishing a *tutorial* with GPL'd code a Bad

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Andreas Hilboll
On 27.07.2015 15:09, Greg Troxel wrote: Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de writes: These packages all depend on R itself. So isn't this the same as in emacs / elisp? Isn't an exporter / .el file the same as a package in R, something which enhances the original product using a provided

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Scott Randby
On 07/27/2015 08:10 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Please refrain from comments about my stupidity or stupidity of the so-called IP law. And please understand that if I'm sounding a bit angry in this email, it's because I'm *very* angry about this whole lawyer mafia restricting my freedom

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 15:05, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical question. Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 17:13, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 14:10, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] And I see no reason to impose GPL on them.)) [...] And please understand that if I'm sounding a bit angry in this email, it's because I'm *very* angry about

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 14:10, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] And I see no reason to impose GPL on them.)) [...] And please understand that if I'm sounding a bit angry in this email, it's because I'm *very* angry about this whole lawyer mafia restricting my freedom (again). (Note: I'm

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 18:01, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] And what if I explicitly want people to be able to use my code in a proprietary software? Or if I just want to use the Unlicense? Or if I don't want to use GPL on principle? (And if I still consider Emacs You are perfectly

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 18:12, Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com wrote: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: And what if I explicitly want people to be able to use my code in a proprietary software? Then you're out of luck. Just like thousands (millions) of programmers are out of luck when

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Oleh Krehel
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: And what if I explicitly want people to be able to use my code in a proprietary software? Then you're out of luck. Just like thousands (millions) of programmers are out of luck when they want to examine the code of a closed source proprietary software.

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 15:58, Scott Randby sran...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/27/2015 08:10 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Please refrain from comments about my stupidity or stupidity of the so-called IP law. And please understand that if I'm sounding a bit angry in this email, it's because I'm *very*

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 18:54, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 18:01, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] And what if I explicitly want people to be able to use my code in a proprietary software? Or if I just want to use the Unlicense? Or if I don't want to use GPL

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:39, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: Hello Marcin, On 27/07/15 14:10, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a few custom exporters, I'm writing a tutorial on

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Nick Dokos
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: On 2015-07-27, at 14:39, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: Hello Marcin, On 27/07/15 14:10, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a few

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com wrote: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: On 2015-07-27, at 14:39, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: Hello Marcin, On 27/07/15 14:10, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Thomas S . Dye
Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com writes: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: And what if I explicitly want people to be able to use my code in a proprietary software? Then you're out of luck. Just like thousands (millions) of programmers are out of luck when they want to examine the

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 18:59, Marcin Borkowski wrote: On 2015-07-27, at 14:39, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: Therefore, the only extensions to org-mode that can exist (and be distributed, if you write code and keep it for yourself you are not affected by the licensing terms) must be GPL.

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 19:04, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] Nope. As stated by someone here (Oleh, I guess), if I (require 'org), or possibly even just write Elisp, and want to distribute it, it has to be GPL. I do not think this is true. I would like to see a proper reference where it

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

2015-07-27 Thread Richard Lawrence
Hi Marcin and all, Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical question. Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which won't be GPL'd. (Use-case: having written a few custom exporters, I'm