Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos wrote: Charles Philip Chan cpc...@bell.net wrote: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. Yes, I am aware of these commands. However, not everyone uses Emacs. ;-) Besides, when I used boxquotes for everything, it was (iirc) Seb who took me to task when he wanted to run a code snippet, so even though he speaks a different language now, don't believe him: he was right the first time :-) Well, I remember vaguely something like that. You must be right about that episode. And you're right telling back what I said then: *code is better not boxed with boxquote*, but put in Org blocks (at least in this mailing list). Gnus users have some highlighting, and everybody sees where the snippet begins and ends, and in which language it is. And that's the easiest method for everybody to copy/paste code. Thanks for the reminder! Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
Hi Charles and Nick, Charles Philip Chan wrote: I like boxquotes for things like Info snippets, variable/function docstrings and FAQ entries. Yes, I am addicted to boxquotes for things like that too. So do I. That's inconvenient for code that somebody might want to cut-and-paste in order to run however (one would need to edit it to get it back into runnable form), so I use the Message function message-mark-inserted-region to quote code. True. Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. ... but one needs to keep the standard settings for creating the box, which is not my case: ┏ ┃ This is my boxed text (UTF-8 chars for border, and 4 char indentation). ┗ Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Hi Seb: Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. Yes, I am aware of these commands. However, not everyone uses Emacs. ;-) Regards, Charles -- If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system. (By Linus Torvalds) pgpA7MV8nsyiV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
Hi Charles, Charles Philip Chan wrote: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. Yes, I am aware of these commands. However, not everyone uses Emacs. ;-) This escaped my mind, really[1]. One point to you ;-) Best regards, Seb [1] So sad that everyone did not see the light ;-)) -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
Charles Philip Chan cpc...@bell.net wrote: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Hi Seb: Not really: there are commands `boxquote-unbox' and `boxquote-unbox-region' for that. Yes, I am aware of these commands. However, not everyone uses Emacs. ;-) Even in emacs however, that's an extra step (iirc, unbox is also finicky about where the cursor should be in order for it to work: I get it wrong a substantial percentage of the time and have to try again, which adds to the aggravation. It's also not bound to a key by default, which adds a little bit of aggravation too.) Besides, when I used boxquotes for everything, it was (iirc) Seb who took me to task when he wanted to run a code snippet, so even though he speaks a different language now, don't believe him: he was right the first time :-) But seriously, the guiding principle should be: What can I do to make the life of whoever decides to read this and help me with it, as easy as possible? or from the other end What can I do to make my reply as useful as possible? THe content remains paramount of course, but these little things help. Nick PS. BTW, do as I say, not as I do: I don't always follow my advice :-)
Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
== Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Hi Nick: Even in emacs however, that's an extra step (iirc, unbox is also finicky about where the cursor should be in order for it to work: I get it wrong a substantial percentage of the time and have to try again, which adds to the aggravation. It's also not bound to a key by default, which adds a little bit of aggravation too.) With completion, it is not too bad. :-) But seriously, the guiding principle should be: What can I do to make the life of whoever decides to read this and help me with it, as easy as possible? or from the other end What can I do to make my reply as useful as possible? THe content remains paramount of course, but these little things help. Agreed. Also, everyone should learn how to ask smart questions.[1] Regards, Charles Footnotes: [1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night hacking (and/or conversations with God). (By Matt Welsh) pgpR19JRt9oMq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: That may be because of the dotage of my mail reader of course (mh-e), so I was wondering if there are any *emacs* mail readers[fn:1] that show the effect? I doubt at this point that I'll ever switch to e.g. gnus to read mail (mh-e and I have grown old together), but I am curious whether something like it handles things properly.[fn:2] The Italic is not showing up in Gnus either. This is because the OP is not using mail markup, i.e. /This is Italic/. IMHO, I don't see the point of not using as the cite mark- anything else will confuse 99% of mailers. This is why I gave up on Supercite. Charles -- Why use Windows, since there is a door? (By fac...@galileo.rhein-neckar.de, Andre Fachat) pgpWQWrpyxxw0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
Charles Philip Chan cpc...@bell.net wrote: Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: That may be because of the dotage of my mail reader of course (mh-e), so I was wondering if there are any *emacs* mail readers[fn:1] that show the effect? I doubt at this point that I'll ever switch to e.g. gnus to read mail (mh-e and I have grown old together), but I am curious whether something like it handles things properly.[fn:2] The Italic is not showing up in Gnus either. This is because the OP is not using mail markup, i.e. /This is Italic/. IMHO, I don't see the point of not using as the cite mark- anything else will confuse 99% of mailers. This is why I gave up on Supercite. Thanks for checking and I agree fully with using a quoting mechanism that will survive the arbitrary travails that a typical mail message goes through, although is generally used for quoting points one responds to - see above e.g. I like boxquotes for things like Info snippets, variable/function docstrings and FAQ entries. That's inconvenient for code that somebody might want to cut-and-paste in order to run however (one would need to edit it to get it back into runnable form), so I use the Message function message-mark-inserted-region to quote code. To go back to the italics question though, the italics is part of the font style spec in the html form of the mail (hence my suspicion that Thunderbird would not have a problem with that message), so I guess the question is if there is an emacs mail reader that will interpret arbitrary HTML markup, the way that T-bird would. I also did the following experiment: I saved the HTML form of the mail (decoding it from quoted-printable to HTML with qprint) and looked at it in Firefox (got italics: no surprise), and in w3m in emacs (with the oblique capable Liberaion font I mentioned previously, which *can* show italics): I get no italics in the latter, so I guess even w3m cannot interpret arbitrary HTML, maybe because the underlying browser is supposed to be text-only, so font style information does not get through. Nick
Re: [O] OT: italics [was: Re: take the name of org-class event from heading]
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Hi Nick: I like boxquotes for things like Info snippets, variable/function docstrings and FAQ entries. Yes, I am addicted to boxquotes for things like that too. That's inconvenient for code that somebody might want to cut-and-paste in order to run however (one would need to edit it to get it back into runnable form), so I use the Message function message-mark-inserted-region to quote code. True. I also did the following experiment: I saved the HTML form of the mail (decoding it from quoted-printable to HTML with qprint) and looked at it in Firefox (got italics: no surprise), and in w3m in emacs (with the oblique capable Liberaion font I mentioned previously, which *can* show italics): I get no italics in the latter, so I guess even w3m cannot interpret arbitrary HTML, maybe because the underlying browser is supposed to be text-only, so font style information does not get through. Yes, the Italics doesn't show up in W3M. I can see it in Firefox if I use View HTML parts in browser in Gnus. Charles -- We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours! (Adapted from Pat Paulsen by Joe Sloan) pgp48fkn59RUE.pgp Description: PGP signature
