Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > David Masterson writes: > >> Good try, but I think you got it backwards. I pulled down a daily >> development snapshot tarball from yesterday (not good with git yet) and >> tried it again. This time, it broke M-return by adding an extra blank >> line after the header (ie. two blank lines), but still did not put in a >> blank line after the header on C-return. > > Again, I need a recipe to reproduce your issue. I tried again with your > previous example and in both cases, I get: > > * Header 1 > > * > > * Header 2 Hrph. Okay, I'll dig further. Thanks. -- David
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Hello, David Masterson writes: > Good try, but I think you got it backwards. I pulled down a daily > development snapshot tarball from yesterday (not good with git yet) and > tried it again. This time, it broke M-return by adding an extra blank > line after the header (ie. two blank lines), but still did not put in a > blank line after the header on C-return. Again, I need a recipe to reproduce your issue. I tried again with your previous example and in both cases, I get: --8<---cut here---start->8--- * Header 1 * * Header 2 --8<---cut here---end--->8--- Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > David Masterson writes: > >> * Header 1 >> >> * Header 2 >> >> Position the cursor on '1' and M-return will create a new header with a >> blank line before and after it, but C-return will create a new header >> with a blank line before, but not after it. > I see. I pushed a fix in master branch. Please let me know if it > behaves better there. Good try, but I think you got it backwards. I pulled down a daily development snapshot tarball from yesterday (not good with git yet) and tried it again. This time, it broke M-return by adding an extra blank line after the header (ie. two blank lines), but still did not put in a blank line after the header on C-return. -- David
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Hello, David Masterson writes: > * Header 1 > > * Header 2 > > Position the cursor on '1' and M-return will create a new header with a > blank line before and after it, but C-return will create a new header > with a blank line before, but not after it. I see. I pushed a fix in master branch. Please let me know if it behaves better there. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Nicolas Goaziou writes:
> David Masterson writes:
>> My example is simple.
>>
>> * emacs --no-init
>> * edit an org file with an outline
>> * position cursor at the end of an outline entry
>> * M-Return
>> ** result: a new header with a blank line before and after
>> * C-Return
>> ** result: a new header with a blank line before but not after
> I cannot reproduce your issue. The only difference that could occur is
> when you have sub-trees, since inserts the new headline at its
> end.
Hmm. Tried again. Severely trimmed my .emacs to the following:
;;
(global-set-key "\C-cl" 'org-store-link)
(global-set-key "\C-ca" 'org-agenda)
(global-set-key "\C-cc" 'org-capture)
(global-set-key "\C-cb" 'org-switchb)
(custom-set-variables
'(package-archives
(quote
(("gnu" . "https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/;)
("org" . "https://orgmode.org/;)
("melpa-stable" . "https://stable.melpa.org/packages/;
'(package-selected-packages
(quote
(org adaptive-wrap auctex auto-correct python)))
'(text-mode-hook
(quote
(turn-on-flyspell visual-line-mode text-mode-hook-identify
(custom-set-faces
'(cursor ((t (:background "blue")
;;
I am running Emacs v26.1 on Cygwin under Windows with Org v9.1.14.
Everything seems to work fine (slow at times, but...). A simple file
produces the problem (and, of course, it is seen in much more complex
files).
* Header 1
* Header 2
Position the cursor on '1' and M-return will create a new header with a
blank line before and after it, but C-return will create a new header
with a blank line before, but not after it.
Not a Lisp person, but I was wondering if there is something different
in the way org-meta-return is doing its processing to determine if it
should handle a header, list, or a table? That extra processing doesn't
appear to be in C-return.
--
David
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Hello, David Masterson writes: > My example is simple. > > * emacs --no-init > * edit an org file with an outline > * position cursor at the end of an outline entry > * M-Return > ** result: a new header with a blank line before and after > * C-Return > ** result: a new header with a blank line before but not after I cannot reproduce your issue. The only difference that could occur is when you have sub-trees, since inserts the new headline at its end. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > David Masterson writes: >> It apparently only affects org-insert-heading, but not >> org-insert-heading-respect-content -- I'm not sure why. Is that >> a bug? > They should behave the same way, indeed. Again a minimal example would > help. My example is simple. * emacs --no-init * edit an org file with an outline * position cursor at the end of an outline entry * M-Return ** result: a new header with a blank line before and after * C-Return ** result: a new header with a blank line before but not after -- David
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Hello, David Masterson writes: > It apparently only affects org-insert-heading, but not > org-insert-heading-respect-content -- I'm not sure why. Is that > a bug? They should behave the same way, indeed. Again a minimal example would help. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > David Masterson writes: >> Why does org-insert-heading insert a heading with a blank line after it >> inserts the heading while org-insert-heading-respect-context does not? > It may be a bug. Do you have an ECM for it? No. Thought it might be a mistake on my part. How do you file ECMs? >> Am I missing a setting? Or have I (accidently) set a setting without >> realizing it? I seem to recall reading something about this in the Org >> manual(s), but I can't find it now. > See `org-blank-before-new-entry'. Bingo! Its value is ((heading . auto) (plain-list-item . auto)) It apparently only affects org-insert-heading, but not org-insert-heading-respect-content -- I'm not sure why. Is that a bug? -- David
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Hello, David Masterson writes: > Why does org-insert-heading insert a heading with a blank line after it > inserts the heading while org-insert-heading-respect-context does not? It may be a bug. Do you have an ECM for it? > Am I missing a setting? Or have I (accidently) set a setting without > realizing it? I seem to recall reading something about this in the Org > manual(s), but I can't find it now. See `org-blank-before-new-entry'. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Neil Jerram writes: >> On 23 November 2018 23:23:27 GMT, David Masterson >> wrote: >>>Probably a dumb question, but is there a standard format for Org >>>outlines. I'm particularly wondering about the use of blank lines. I >>>prefer to have blank lines before my headings for readability, but I >>>think a lot of other people work without the blank lines. I recently >>>ran into a case with BeOrg where it, in fact, removed the blank lines >>>when it synced my change back to my original file. That led me to >>>think what is the standard format for an Org outline. Should I >>>expect the tools to adjust to me or should I adjust to them? >> Great question; I've seen and wondered the same thing. In my case it's >> Orgzly that seems to like removing some blank lines - although happily >> it doesn't seem to mind when I add some of them back again. > Blank lines before a headline are not significant in Org syntax. Why does org-insert-heading insert a heading with a blank line after it inserts the heading while org-insert-heading-respect-context does not? Am I missing a setting? Or have I (accidently) set a setting without realizing it? I seem to recall reading something about this in the Org manual(s), but I can't find it now. -- David
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
Hello, Neil Jerram writes: > On 23 November 2018 23:23:27 GMT, David Masterson > wrote: >>Probably a dumb question, but is there a standard format for Org >>outlines. I'm particularly wondering about the use of blank lines. I >>prefer to have blank lines before my headings for readability, but I >>think a lot of other people work without the blank lines. I recently >>ran into a case with BeOrg where it, in fact, removed the blank lines >>when it synced my change back to my original file. That led me to >>think >>what is the standard format for an Org outline. Should I expect the >>tools to adjust to me or should I adjust to them? >>-- >>David > > Great question; I've seen and wondered the same thing. In my case it's > Orgzly that seems to like removing some blank lines - although happily > it doesn't seem to mind when I add some of them back again. Blank lines before a headline are not significant in Org syntax. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] Standard Format for Org Outlines?
On 23 November 2018 23:23:27 GMT, David Masterson wrote: >Probably a dumb question, but is there a standard format for Org >outlines. I'm particularly wondering about the use of blank lines. I >prefer to have blank lines before my headings for readability, but I >think a lot of other people work without the blank lines. I recently >ran into a case with BeOrg where it, in fact, removed the blank lines >when it synced my change back to my original file. That led me to >think >what is the standard format for an Org outline. Should I expect the >tools to adjust to me or should I adjust to them? >-- >David Great question; I've seen and wondered the same thing. In my case it's Orgzly that seems to like removing some blank lines - although happily it doesn't seem to mind when I add some of them back again. Best wishes, Neil
