Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Many thanks for this effort, Eric. I will try to test Gnorb as soon as possible. Best wishes Jo. 2014-07-16 5:03 GMT+02:00 Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net: Joseph Vidal-Rosset joseph.vidal.ros...@gmail.com writes: Hello, This is very interesting indeed. But is there somewhere a good tutorial to read or video to see ? It would be helpful for people who want to use Gnus + Org-mode in optimal way. Someone asked me about a screencast recently, around the same time that I realized the README isn't actually very readable! Part of getting the package Elpa-ready will also be writing a proper Info manual. For the time being, the very basics of email tracking (though Gnorb does a lot more) would look like this: 1. Start by making a TODO which represents a message that you have to send. That could be using plain old capture on an incoming message you want to reply to. Or using gnorb-gnus-outgoing-do-todo on a message while you're composing it. Or just typing out a TODO. One way or the other, you want a TODO heading that contains a mailto link, or a bbdb link, or a gnus message link (or some combination thereof). 2. Call gnorb-org-handle-mail on that heading. You'll end up composing a message of some sort. 3. Send the message. You'll be taken back to the original TODO heading, and prompted to take a note or change the TODO state. For example, from EMAIL to WAIT. It's useful to enable state-change logging. 4. Wait for a reply. When you get it, Gnorb will know (I hope) that the reply is relevant to the original TODO, and will prompt you to call gnorb-gnus-incoming-do-todo on the message. Do that. 5. Again you'll be taken back to the TODO, and prompted to take a note or change the TODO state -- for example, from WAIT to REPLY. A link to the received message can (and should) be inserted into the state-change drawer. 6. Go back to step two, and repeat until your email conversation is done. What it boils down to is calling gnorb-org-handle-mail on your TODO heading, and gnorb-gnus-incoming-do-todo on received messages. Everything else is gravy. (But there's a lot of gravy!) The moment something doesn't work the way you like it, look at the customization options. Maybe what I need here is a diagram... Eric 2014-07-15 16:11 GMT+02:00 Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org: On 2014-07-15 02:57, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Hadn't have the time to try Gnorb, but the combination of gnus org is definitely interesting for me. I highly recommend this library. I haven't scratched the surface, but one great aha moment was when I was reading in email in gnus and saw a message in the minibuffer about a relevant task from my todo list. I mostly use it to track waiting for sent email: after sending an email, with one keystroke I can create a waiting for task with a link to the sent email. I also use it to create reply to tasks. Alan -- OpenPGP Key ID : 040D0A3B4ED2E5C7
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
On 2014-07-15 02:57, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Hadn't have the time to try Gnorb, but the combination of gnusorg is definitely interesting for me. I highly recommend this library. I haven't scratched the surface, but one great aha moment was when I was reading in email in gnus and saw a message in the minibuffer about a relevant task from my todo list. I mostly use it to track waiting for sent email: after sending an email, with one keystroke I can create a waiting for task with a link to the sent email. I also use it to create reply to tasks. Alan -- OpenPGP Key ID : 040D0A3B4ED2E5C7 pgpeGWvGaEiQS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Hello, This is very interesting indeed. But is there somewhere a good tutorial to read or video to see ? It would be helpful for people who want to use Gnus + Org-mode in optimal way. Best wishes, Jo. 2014-07-15 16:11 GMT+02:00 Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org: On 2014-07-15 02:57, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Hadn't have the time to try Gnorb, but the combination of gnusorg is definitely interesting for me. I highly recommend this library. I haven't scratched the surface, but one great aha moment was when I was reading in email in gnus and saw a message in the minibuffer about a relevant task from my todo list. I mostly use it to track waiting for sent email: after sending an email, with one keystroke I can create a waiting for task with a link to the sent email. I also use it to create reply to tasks. Alan -- OpenPGP Key ID : 040D0A3B4ED2E5C7
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Joseph Vidal-Rosset joseph.vidal.ros...@gmail.com writes: Hello, This is very interesting indeed. But is there somewhere a good tutorial to read or video to see ? It would be helpful for people who want to use Gnus + Org-mode in optimal way. Someone asked me about a screencast recently, around the same time that I realized the README isn't actually very readable! Part of getting the package Elpa-ready will also be writing a proper Info manual. For the time being, the very basics of email tracking (though Gnorb does a lot more) would look like this: 1. Start by making a TODO which represents a message that you have to send. That could be using plain old capture on an incoming message you want to reply to. Or using gnorb-gnus-outgoing-do-todo on a message while you're composing it. Or just typing out a TODO. One way or the other, you want a TODO heading that contains a mailto link, or a bbdb link, or a gnus message link (or some combination thereof). 2. Call gnorb-org-handle-mail on that heading. You'll end up composing a message of some sort. 3. Send the message. You'll be taken back to the original TODO heading, and prompted to take a note or change the TODO state. For example, from EMAIL to WAIT. It's useful to enable state-change logging. 4. Wait for a reply. When you get it, Gnorb will know (I hope) that the reply is relevant to the original TODO, and will prompt you to call gnorb-gnus-incoming-do-todo on the message. Do that. 5. Again you'll be taken back to the TODO, and prompted to take a note or change the TODO state -- for example, from WAIT to REPLY. A link to the received message can (and should) be inserted into the state-change drawer. 6. Go back to step two, and repeat until your email conversation is done. What it boils down to is calling gnorb-org-handle-mail on your TODO heading, and gnorb-gnus-incoming-do-todo on received messages. Everything else is gravy. (But there's a lot of gravy!) The moment something doesn't work the way you like it, look at the customization options. Maybe what I need here is a diagram... Eric 2014-07-15 16:11 GMT+02:00 Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org: On 2014-07-15 02:57, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Hadn't have the time to try Gnorb, but the combination of gnus org is definitely interesting for me. I highly recommend this library. I haven't scratched the surface, but one great aha moment was when I was reading in email in gnus and saw a message in the minibuffer about a relevant task from my todo list. I mostly use it to track waiting for sent email: after sending an email, with one keystroke I can create a waiting for task with a link to the sent email. I also use it to create reply to tasks. Alan -- OpenPGP Key ID : 040D0A3B4ED2E5C7
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Joseph Vidal-Rosset joseph.vidal.ros...@gmail.com writes: Hello, This is very interesting indeed. But is there somewhere a good tutorial to read or video to see ? It would be helpful for people who want to use Gnus + Org-mode in optimal way. Someone asked me about a screencast recently, around the same time that I realized the README isn't actually very readable! Part of getting the package Elpa-ready will also be writing a proper Info manual. For the time being, the very basics of email tracking (though Gnorb does a lot more) would look like this: 1. Start by making a TODO which represents a message that you have to send. That could be using plain old capture on an incoming message you want to reply to. Or using gnorb-gnus-outgoing-do-todo on a message while you're composing it. Or just typing out a TODO. One way or the other, you want a TODO heading that contains a mailto link, or a bbdb link, or a gnus message link (or some combination thereof). 2. Call gnorb-org-handle-mail on that heading. You'll end up composing a message of some sort. 3. Send the message. You'll be taken back to the original TODO heading, and prompted to take a note or change the TODO state. For example, from EMAIL to WAIT. It's useful to enable state-change logging. 4. Wait for a reply. When you get it, Gnorb will know (I hope) that the reply is relevant to the original TODO, and will prompt you to call gnorb-gnus-incoming-do-todo on the message. Do that. 5. Again you'll be taken back to the TODO, and prompted to take a note or change the TODO state -- for example, from WAIT to REPLY. A link to the received message can (and should) be inserted into the state-change drawer. 6. Go back to step two, and repeat until your email conversation is done. What it boils down to is calling gnorb-org-handle-mail on your TODO heading, and gnorb-gnus-incoming-do-todo on received messages. Everything else is gravy. (But there's a lot of gravy!) The moment something doesn't work the way you like it, look at the customization options. Maybe what I need here is a diagram... Eric 2014-07-15 16:11 GMT+02:00 Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org: On 2014-07-15 02:57, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Hadn't have the time to try Gnorb, but the combination of gnus org is definitely interesting for me. I highly recommend this library. I haven't scratched the surface, but one great aha moment was when I was reading in email in gnus and saw a message in the minibuffer about a relevant task from my todo list. I mostly use it to track waiting for sent email: after sending an email, with one keystroke I can create a waiting for task with a link to the sent email. I also use it to create reply to tasks. Alan -- OpenPGP Key ID : 040D0A3B4ED2E5C7
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name writes: Do you have any means to bring replies and such back into the org file? This seems like it could be a really good thing. To be able to move the discussion to the relevant org file and then structure it and prioritize/schedule from there. It seems a lot better than to have all these different discussions inside gnus, so I'd really like to try this. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
I usually do this kind of tracking with a link to the email instead. It is not automated communication between email and org, and it is not that complicated, but it does what I need, when I need it. Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name writes: Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name writes: Do you have any means to bring replies and such back into the org file? This seems like it could be a really good thing. To be able to move the discussion to the relevant org file and then structure it and prioritize/schedule from there. It seems a lot better than to have all these different discussions inside gnus, so I'd really like to try this. -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: I usually do this kind of tracking with a link to the email instead. It is not automated communication between email and org, and it is not that complicated, but it does what I need, when I need it. I will stop with shameless plugs at some point here, but this is exactly what Gnorb does -- uses org to keep track of email conversations. Tracking is done with vanilla org links and state-change log notes, but the various gnorb functions make the whole process pretty much automated. https://github.com/girzel/gnorb#using-gnorb-for-tracking-email-todos Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name writes: Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name writes: Do you have any means to bring replies and such back into the org file? This seems like it could be a really good thing. To be able to move the discussion to the relevant org file and then structure it and prioritize/schedule from there. It seems a lot better than to have all these different discussions inside gnus, so I'd really like to try this.
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net writes: John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: I usually do this kind of tracking with a link to the email instead. It is not automated communication between email and org, and it is not that complicated, but it does what I need, when I need it. I will stop with shameless plugs at some point here, but this is exactly what Gnorb does ... Why? Nothing more frustrating than implementing a *brandnew* idea only to find out later on that idea implementation already existed. I would not call this 'shameless plugs' but rather necessary and useful library advertising, but maybe I'm biased since I tend to do the same thing ;) PS Hadn't have the time to try Gnorb, but the combination of gnusorg is definitely interesting for me. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net writes: John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: I usually do this kind of tracking with a link to the email instead. It is not automated communication between email and org, and it is not that complicated, but it does what I need, when I need it. I will stop with shameless plugs at some point here, but this is exactly what Gnorb does ... Why? Nothing more frustrating than implementing a *brandnew* idea only to find out later on that idea implementation already existed. I would not call this 'shameless plugs' but rather necessary and useful library advertising, but maybe I'm biased since I tend to do the same thing ;) It's true it's hard to keep quiet when people are mulling over the *exact* thing your library does... :) PS Hadn't have the time to try Gnorb, but the combination of gnusorg is definitely interesting for me.
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: I played around with using a heading with properties to send an email. Basically the heading is the subject, you set some properties about TO, CC, etc... and the heading content is the body. You just put your cursor in the heading and run M-x email-heading. You can see the code here https://github.com/jkitchin/jmax/blob/master/email.el#L31 It saves some details in properties, like when it was sent, etc... It is occasionally useful to me. Do you have any means to bring replies and such back into the org file? -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Leven.11 juil.2014à02:39:42 ,GrantRettke g...@wisdomandwonder.com a envoyé ce message: Hi Joseph, What directions did you follow for working with gmail? Kind regards, gcr Hi Grant, Gnus + gmail is pretty well documented. Have a look on http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusGmail . My setup is not very different, but I can send to you my .gnus.el if you want it. I must say that I am already convinced that using gnus alone with org-mode (i.e. with links) is certainly more efficient, but it requires more time to learn it. It is an holiday project. :) Best wishes, Jo.
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Hello Thorsten, On 2014-07-10 15:27, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Looks like the hooks are not set. Here (again) my configuration from init.el: , | (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode) | (add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode) | ;; more hooks for other major-modes ... | | ;; outorg ; = required indirectly | ;; (require 'outorg) | | ;; outshine | (require 'outshine) | (add-hook 'outline-minor-mode-hook | 'outshine-hook-function) ; = important! | | (setq outshine-use-speed-commands t) | | ;; navi-mode ; = optional | (require 'navi-mode) | | ;; poporg ; = optional | (require 'poporg) ` Adding these lines worked. I think I was missing both the outline mode and the outshine hook. - does outorg require outshine to work? If so, it may be good to mark the latter as a dependency of the former. Yes. With mark the latter as a dependency of the former you mean in the MELPA package description? Yes, or adding an explicit dependency in MELPA such that if one installs outorg, then outshine is automatically installed. - there is no installation instructions on the package description on MELPA. Where can I find the installation description referred to above? , | https://github.com/tj64/outshine | https://github.com/tj64/outorg | https://github.com/tj64/navi ` or , | http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-outside-org.html ` Adding these to the MELPA description would be quite useful. Thanks again, Alan -- OpenPGP Key ID : 040D0A3B4ED2E5C7 pgpKvfzx1eYTj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Ken, orgstruct++-mode and orgtbl-mode help a lot. It would be nice to be able to execute code too. they are both nice but not the real thing I have an email in to the mu4e group about just switching to org-mode and then back to message-mode. Since mu4e isn't gnus, and doesn't use plain message-mode as the major mode, I need to switch back to the mu4e compose mode, but it lists as m4e:compose in the modeline, and that isn't a major mode I can figure out how to switch to. When you start writing an email in mu4e, could you just: 1. do , | M-: major-mode ` 2. do M-x mark-whole-buffer M-x kill-ring-save, i.e. , | C-x h | M-w ` and post the results? And maybe figure out if in the mu4e world there exists a customizable variable like: ,[ C-h v mail-header-separator RET ] | mail-header-separator is a variable defined in `sendmail.el'. | Its value is --text follows this line-- | | Documentation: | Line used to separate headers from text in messages being composed. | You can customize this variable. ` This would probably give me all the info I need to adapt outorg. On 2014-07-09 at 16:03, Nick Dokos wrote: John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: Can't you just change your buffer mode to org-mode, compose, change back to message-mode and send? Did you want to do more than that? ... or, depending on what one wants to do, adding one of the minor modes (orgstruct-mode, orgstruct++-mode, orgtbl-mode) to message-mode buffers may be enough. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Hi Thorsten and others, Thanks to your help I have it set up well. Here is my setup, based on the idea from John Kitchin to just switch major modes: 1. I've set mu4e so that the reply line starts with * (an Org section) like this: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (setq message-citation-line-format * On %Y-%m-%d at %R, %f wrote:) #+END_SRC Now, the quoted part of the email is its own section. 2. I've added a function to switch between org-mode and mu4e-compose-mode, and bound it to C-@, so I can easily swap modes: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (defun kdm-mu4e-org-compose () Switch to/from mu4e-compose-mode and org-mode (interactive) (if (eq 'mu4e-compose-mode (buffer-local-value 'major-mode (current-buffer))) (org-mode) (mu4e-compose-mode))) (global-set-key \M-@ 'kdm-mu4e-org-compose) #+END_SRC With this, I read emails in mu4e. When I hit reply, I reply normally. If I want to drop into Org mode for the reply, I do so with M-@, use Org, and then M-@ back to mu4e before sending. I've just set this up. We'll see how well it works. mu4e used to support Org and I'm sure it will in the future, and then things might be better integrated, but I think this will work for now. -k. * On 2014-07-10 at 04:28, Thorsten Jolitz wrote: Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Ken, orgstruct++-mode and orgtbl-mode help a lot. It would be nice to be able to execute code too. they are both nice but not the real thing I have an email in to the mu4e group about just switching to org-mode and then back to message-mode. Since mu4e isn't gnus, and doesn't use plain message-mode as the major mode, I need to switch back to the mu4e compose mode, but it lists as m4e:compose in the modeline, and that isn't a major mode I can figure out how to switch to. When you start writing an email in mu4e, could you just: 1. do , | M-: major-mode ` 2. do M-x mark-whole-buffer M-x kill-ring-save, i.e. , | C-x h | M-w ` and post the results? And maybe figure out if in the mu4e world there exists a customizable variable like: ,[ C-h v mail-header-separator RET ] | mail-header-separator is a variable defined in `sendmail.el'. | Its value is --text follows this line-- | | Documentation: | Line used to separate headers from text in messages being composed. | You can customize this variable. ` This would probably give me all the info I need to adapt outorg. On 2014-07-09 at 16:03, Nick Dokos wrote: John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: Can't you just change your buffer mode to org-mode, compose, change back to message-mode and send? Did you want to do more than that? ... or, depending on what one wants to do, adding one of the minor modes (orgstruct-mode, orgstruct++-mode, orgtbl-mode) to message-mode buffers may be enough.
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Thorsten and others, Thanks to your help I have it set up well. Here is my setup, based on the idea from John Kitchin to just switch major modes: Just FYI, after having a look at this , | http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/EV-Overview.html ` I think that mu4e-compose-mode is basically a modified message-mode. Since I use , | (and (derived-mode-p 'message-mode) ...) ` in outorg to check major-mode, I would guess that outorg works out of the box with mu4e-compose-mode after adding outline-minor-mode to its mode-hook: , | (when (require 'outline nil t) | (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode) | (add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode) | (add-hook 'mu4e-compose-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode)) | | ;; outshine | (require 'outshine nil t) | (add-hook 'outline-minor-mode-hook 'outshine-hook-function) | (setq outshine-use-speed-commands t) ` I know nothing about mu4e and don't have it installed, so I cannot test this (will somebody do?), but I'm pretty sure this is enough to make it work with outorg. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Hello, On 2014-07-09 09:49, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Yes, I use Gnus and thus write my mails in message-mode. My setup is the standard outshine.el + outorg.el setup, since it works out-of-the-box with message-mode, given you follow the installation description. I've given this a try, and it's not obvious how to make it work. This is what I did: - installed outorg through MELPA - tried on an email, as no outorg function was loaded, I evaluated '(require 'outorg')' - upon calling the 'outorg-edit-as-org' function I got an error about a missing outshine variable (something about comments, IIRC) - I installed outshine, and restarted emacs to make sure the autoloads were loaded - tried again on some email, and still there was no outorg proposed, so I required it and outshine as well - I then got the following error Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error before first heading) signal(error (before first heading)) error(before first heading) outline-back-to-heading(INVISIBLE-OK) outorg-copy-and-convert() outorg-edit-as-org(nil) My questions are: - Is this a bug? - does outorg require outshine to work? If so, it may be good to mark the latter as a dependency of the former. - there is no installation instructions on the package description on MELPA. Where can I find the installation description referred to above? Thanks, Alan -- OpenPGP Key ID : 040D0A3B4ED2E5C7 pgp3YEfo2Uyvx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Le mar. 08 juil. 2014 à 08:28:35 , Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com a envoyé ce message: Hi Thorsten, On a recent thread you wrote: ... *outorg-edit-buffer* (where I write my message-mode email in full org-mode). I already write emails in emacs. I'm interested in being able to compose emails using Org Mode. I see you use gnus. I use mu4e[1]. I wonder if your setup is gnus-specific or might work with other emacs mail clients. Will you provide some information about this? Thanks, -k. [1] http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html Hello Ken, In my own little experience of Gnus, it can be perfectly synchronized with gmail client (i.e. gmail in your browser). But probably the most interesting thing is the use of links with org-mode (that I do not use, but I am interested to learn it). It is not gnus specific but maybe gnus offers more advantages, I do not know. I'm learning gnus step by step. Manual: http://orgmode.org/manual/External-links.html http://orgmode.org/manual/Handling-links.html org-mode list: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2007-05/msg00058.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2007-07/msg00258.html http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/55066 http://blog.schiessle.org/tag/org-mode/ But every help from gnus + org-mode expert is welcome for a newbie like me. Best wishes, Jo.
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org writes: Hello, On 2014-07-09 09:49, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Yes, I use Gnus and thus write my mails in message-mode. My setup is the standard outshine.el + outorg.el setup, since it works out-of-the-box with message-mode, given you follow the installation description. I've given this a try, and it's not obvious how to make it work. This is what I did: - installed outorg through MELPA You *need* outshine too, navi-mode is a nice addition. The 3 libs belong together somehow, outshine is the core library. - tried on an email, as no outorg function was loaded, I evaluated '(require 'outorg')' since navi-mode requires outorg, and outshine has a soft-dependency to outorg, I don't have that explicitly in my init.el. - upon calling the 'outorg-edit-as-org' function I got an error about a missing outshine variable (something about comments, IIRC) - I installed outshine, and restarted emacs to make sure the autoloads were loaded - tried again on some email, and still there was no outorg proposed, so I required it and outshine as well - I then got the following error Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error before first heading) signal(error (before first heading)) error(before first heading) outline-back-to-heading(INVISIBLE-OK) outorg-copy-and-convert() outorg-edit-as-org(nil) My questions are: - Is this a bug? I hope (and think) not. Looks like the hooks are not set. Here (again) my configuration from init.el: , | (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode) | (add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode) | ;; more hooks for other major-modes ... | | ;; outorg ; = required indirectly | ;; (require 'outorg) | | ;; outshine | (require 'outshine) | (add-hook 'outline-minor-mode-hook | 'outshine-hook-function) ; = important! | | (setq outshine-use-speed-commands t) | | ;; navi-mode ; = optional | (require 'navi-mode) | | ;; poporg ; = optional | (require 'poporg) ` You need to set this too in your init.el (*before* outline is loaded): , | (defvar outline-minor-mode-prefix \M-#) ` Restarting Emacs once after installation is a good idea. Then it should work, let me know if you still have troubles. - does outorg require outshine to work? If so, it may be good to mark the latter as a dependency of the former. Yes. With mark the latter as a dependency of the former you mean in the MELPA package description? - there is no installation instructions on the package description on MELPA. Where can I find the installation description referred to above? , | https://github.com/tj64/outshine | https://github.com/tj64/outorg | https://github.com/tj64/navi ` or , | http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-outside-org.html ` but the excerpt above from my init.el should do the job. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: I played around with using a heading with properties to send an email. Basically the heading is the subject, you set some properties about TO, CC, etc... and the heading content is the body. You just put your cursor in the heading and run M-x email-heading. You can see the code here https://github.com/jkitchin/jmax/blob/master/email.el#L31 That's like the coolest thing ever. I need to try that;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Can't you just change your buffer mode to org-mode, compose, change back to message-mode and send? Did you want to do more than that? I played around with using a heading with properties to send an email. Basically the heading is the subject, you set some properties about TO, CC, etc... and the heading content is the body. You just put your cursor in the heading and run M-x email-heading. You can see the code here https://github.com/jkitchin/jmax/blob/master/email.el#L31 and https://github.com/jkitchin/jmax/blob/master/email.el#L35 It saves some details in properties, like when it was sent, etc... It is occasionally useful to me. Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Thorsten, On a recent thread you wrote: ... *outorg-edit-buffer* (where I write my message-mode email in full org-mode). I already write emails in emacs. I'm interested in being able to compose emails using Org Mode. I see you use gnus. I use mu4e[1]. I wonder if your setup is gnus-specific or might work with other emacs mail clients. Will you provide some information about this? Thanks, -k. [1] http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Thorsten, On a recent thread you wrote: ... *outorg-edit-buffer* (where I write my message-mode email in full org-mode). I already write emails in emacs. I'm interested in being able to compose emails using Org Mode. I see you use gnus. I use mu4e[1]. I wonder if your setup is gnus-specific or might work with other emacs mail clients. Will you provide some information about this? Are you looking for something like this [1] ? Regards, Noorul [1] http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#OrgStructModeForMail
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: Can't you just change your buffer mode to org-mode, compose, change back to message-mode and send? Did you want to do more than that? ... or, depending on what one wants to do, adding one of the minor modes (orgstruct-mode, orgstruct++-mode, orgtbl-mode) to message-mode buffers may be enough. Nick
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: Can't you just change your buffer mode to org-mode, compose, change back to message-mode and send? Did you want to do more than that? I played around with using a heading with properties to send an email. Basically the heading is the subject, you set some properties about TO, CC, etc... and the heading content is the body. You just put your cursor in the heading and run M-x email-heading. You can see the code here https://github.com/jkitchin/jmax/blob/master/email.el#L31 and https://github.com/jkitchin/jmax/blob/master/email.el#L35 It saves some details in properties, like when it was sent, etc... It is occasionally useful to me. Org-mime in contrib/lisp does pretty much exactly this! Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Thorsten, On a recent thread you wrote: ... *outorg-edit-buffer* (where I write my message-mode email in full org-mode). I already write emails in emacs. I'm interested in being able to compose emails using Org Mode. I see you use gnus. I use mu4e[1]. I wonder if your setup is gnus-specific or might work with other emacs mail clients. Will you provide some information about this? Thanks, -k. [1] http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: Can't you just change your buffer mode to org-mode, compose, change back to message-mode and send? Did you want to do more than that? Ok, message-mode is a text mode just like Org-mode and not a programming mode, so it is not the perfect use-case for outshine/outorg, and it would be possible to just change major-modes. But why not resuse outorg for this if it already exists and works with many other major-modes? The cost for typing M-# # is low (just as typing C-c '), and it feels much smoother to switch to a temporary edit-buffer than to change major-modes, and if only for the fact that you normally don't have an Org-mode headline in a message-mode buffer, and Org without a headline is like a cake without sugar, so you have to add one manually to make things work and get the fontification. Outorg does offer some export related conveniences too: ,[ C-h f outorg-edit-as-org RET ] | outorg-edit-as-org is an interactive Lisp function in `outorg.el'. | | It is bound to M-# #, menu-bar Outshine Edit As Org. | | (outorg-edit-as-org optional ARG) | | Convert and copy to temporary Org buffer | | With ARG, act conditional on the raw value of ARG: | | | prefix | raw | action 1 | action 2 | | |+-+---+| | | C-u| (4) | edit-whole-buffer | ---| | | C-1| 1 | edit-whole-buffer | insert default export-template | | | C-2| 2 | edit-whole-buffer | prompt user for template-file | | | C-3| 3 | edit-whole-buffer | insert keep default template | | | C-4| 4 | edit-whole-buffer | insert keep template-file| | | C-5| 5 | propagate changes | ---| | | [back] ` i.e. you can temporarily (or persistently) add a default (or custom) header to the message if you want to export it from Org-mode just by giving a prefix arg. And, after inserting more headlines, you can decide if you want to edit only the subtree at point (default) or the whole buffer (with prefix arg). I played around with using a heading with properties to send an email. Basically the heading is the subject, you set some properties about TO, CC, etc... and the heading content is the body. You just put your cursor in the heading and run M-x email-heading. You can see the code here https://github.com/jkitchin/jmax/blob/master/email.el#L31 and https://github.com/jkitchin/jmax/blob/master/email.el#L35 It saves some details in properties, like when it was sent, etc... It is occasionally useful to me. Using outshine/outorg with message-mode is just a nice side-effect, their main purpose is of course bringing the lookfeel of Org-mode to programming modes. But they are easy to adapt to message-mode and very smooth to use - so why not take advantage of this? Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Thorsten, On a recent thread you wrote: ... *outorg-edit-buffer* (where I write my message-mode email in full org-mode). I already write emails in emacs. I'm interested in being able to compose emails using Org Mode. I see you use gnus. I use mu4e[1]. I wonder if your setup is gnus-specific or might work with other emacs mail clients. Will you provide some information about this? Thanks, -k. [1] http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Ken, Hi Thorsten, On a recent thread you wrote: ... *outorg-edit-buffer* (where I write my message-mode email in full org-mode). I already write emails in emacs. I'm interested in being able to compose emails using Org Mode. I see you use gnus. I use mu4e[1]. I wonder if your setup is gnus-specific or might work with other emacs mail clients. Will you provide some information about this? just to let you know - I answered your mail, but apparently my post (as well as some other recent posts of mine) did not get through (yet?) due to mailing list problems. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: Hi Ken, Hi Thorsten, On a recent thread you wrote: ... *outorg-edit-buffer* (where I write my message-mode email in full org-mode). I already write emails in emacs. I'm interested in being able to compose emails using Org Mode. I see you use gnus. I use mu4e[1]. I wonder if your setup is gnus-specific or might work with other emacs mail clients. Will you provide some information about this? Yes, I use Gnus and thus write my mails in message-mode. My setup is the standard outshine.el + outorg.el setup, since it works out-of-the-box with message-mode, given you follow the installation description. In my init file I have (note that '(try-require 'foo) is basically '(require 'foo nit t), and that outorg is required by navi-mode anyway.): , | (message \n-- entering outline --) | | (when (try-require 'outline) | (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode) | (add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'outline-minor-mode)) | | ;; outorg | ;; (try-require 'outorg) | | ;; outshine | (try-require 'outshine) | (add-hook 'outline-minor-mode-hook 'outshine-hook-function) | | (setq outshine-use-speed-commands t) | | ;; navi-mode | (try-require 'navi-mode) | | ;; poporg | (try-require 'poporg) ` You can get outshine/outorg/navi via MELPA or from github (repo tj64). My workflow is more or less like this: - start writing email in message-mode (just the Gnus default) - while writing, come to the conclusion that I need a table, or want to insert and evalute src_blocks, or want to attach the email exported to ASCII etc etc - and switch to Org-mode with M-# # (M-x outorg-edit-as-org) I did this right now, here is how this email looks in the *outorg-edit-buffer*: , | * --text follows this line-- | Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes: | | Hi Ken, | | Hi Thorsten, On a recent thread you wrote: | | ... *outorg-edit-buffer* (where I write my message-mode email in | full | org-mode). | | I already write emails in emacs. I'm interested in being able to compose | [...] | Yes, I use Gnus and thus write my mails in message-mode. My setup is the | standard outshine.el + outorg.el setup, since it works out-of-the-box | with message-mode. | | My workflow is more or less like this: | | - start writing email in message-mode (just the Gnus default) | [...] ` You can see that in outorg.el I just use a trick to make it work with message-mode - I prepare the message-mode buffer in such a way that outorg can work with it (i.e. I make it an outshine buffer by 1. turning this line into an Org headline: , | * --text follows this line-- ` 2. commenting out all text Then outorg can convert the buffer to Org like it can convert any other outshine buffer (outshine is major-mode agnostic, it works, at least in theory, with all major-modes). One nice thing about this is that you can do code-block evaluation directly in the *outorg-edit-buffer*, no buffer switching and copypaste necessary anymore. - when I'm finished editing in Org I just do M-# (M-x outorg-copy-edits-and-exit) to get back to message-mode. For message-mode, the buffer gets some special treatment when converting back from Org-mode (basically undo the trick I used in the beginning). So in summary, in outorg I 1. check if original buffer is in message-mode 2. if so, prepare buffer for editing in Org (do trick) 3. convert buffer to Org 4. edit in Org 5. prepare buffer for converting back to message-mode (undo trick) 5. reconvert buffer to message-mode I would guess that this could easily be ported to mu4e. In step 1 I could check for mu4e too, and write two mu4e-functions for buffer preparation (converting to and from Org-mode) - thats all. I only would need to know how a message-buffer looks like in mu4e. In message-mode it looks basically like this , | References: m2pphfr9an@gmail.com | X-Draft-From: (nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode 88376) | Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.orgmode | Subject: Re: emails written in Org Mode | From: Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com | Gcc: nnfolder+archive:sent.2014-07 | --text follows this line-- | | -- | cheers, | Thorsten ` and I do a , | (re-search-forward mail-header-separator nil 'NOERROR) ` to search for this line , | --text follows this line-- ` and figure out where the message body starts. If you could provide me with a reliable template for a mu4e message and some kind of always present mail-header-separator, I could try to make outorg work with mu4e too. PS [1] http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html Reads interesting, I had not heard of it. I probably use only 1pc of Gnus functionality, and it was kind of a pain to set it up, but now that it works its very comfortable so I'm probably not going to switch. --
Re: [O] emails written in Org Mode
Hi All, Thanks for the suggestions. orgstruct++-mode and orgtbl-mode help a lot. It would be nice to be able to execute code too. I have an email in to the mu4e group about just switching to org-mode and then back to message-mode. Since mu4e isn't gnus, and doesn't use plain message-mode as the major mode, I need to switch back to the mu4e compose mode, but it lists as m4e:compose in the modeline, and that isn't a major mode I can figure out how to switch to. Thanks, -k. On 2014-07-09 at 16:03, Nick Dokos wrote: John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: Can't you just change your buffer mode to org-mode, compose, change back to message-mode and send? Did you want to do more than that? ... or, depending on what one wants to do, adding one of the minor modes (orgstruct-mode, orgstruct++-mode, orgtbl-mode) to message-mode buffers may be enough. Nick
