Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode with Mairix: org-mairix.el
Hi Adam, Adam Spiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I was hoping to get some feedback from the (apparently tiny?) user-base first. Is there anyone other than myself and Austin currently reading the list who uses org-mairix.el, or who might be interested in using it? I'm not using org-mairix.el anymore because org-nnml.el suits my needs. But I like mairix and I'm using it a lot (with Gnus.) If you solve the issues you mentionned then I will give it another try, for sure! -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode with Mairix: org-mairix.el
On 10 Feb 2008, Bastien Guerry wrote: Adam Spiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I was hoping to get some feedback from the (apparently tiny?) user-base first. Is there anyone other than myself and Austin currently reading the list who uses org-mairix.el, or who might be interested in using it? (snip) If you solve the issues you mentionned then I will give it another try, for sure! Me too. Gijs -- Insanity is considered a ground for divorce, though by the very same token it is the shortest detour to marriage. -- Wilson Mizner ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode with Mairix: org-mairix.el
Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've taken a little bit of time to clean up the integration of Mairix with Org. Great! The weakest point right now is the selection of the Gnus group upon matching, as I am still looking for a way to do this in Gnus that will not generate zombies. Please have a look at the patch below and tell me if it solves the issue above. Look for the small FIXME: (bzg) cookies in the patch. But overall I'm quite happy now: By default, this will pull an entire thread into the search group and automatically select the mail that was linked to. BTW, this might be just personal taste, but I would prefer a shorter syntax for thread searches (like mairix:t). Right now --thread in the link is converted as %20--thread and this is not parsed by the (split-string ... ) part of your code. Please test, help debug and extend. I don't have the time to maintain this actively, but would be happy if people found it useful. This *is* definitely very useful! diff -u /home/guerry/elisp/testing/org-mairix.el /home/guerry/elisp/testing/bzg/org-mairix.el --- /home/guerry/elisp/testing/org-mairix.el 2007-09-26 16:45:30.0 +0200 +++ /home/guerry/elisp/testing/bzg/org-mairix.el 2007-09-26 16:43:03.0 +0200 @@ -35,31 +35,31 @@ (defcustom org-mairix-threaded-links t Should new links be created as threaded links? - If t, links will be stored as threaded searches. - If nil, links will be stored as non-threaded searches. +If t, links will be stored as threaded searches. +If nil, links will be stored as non-threaded searches. :group 'org-mairix :type 'boolean) (defcustom org-mairix-augmented-links nil Should new links be created as augmenting searches? - If t, links will be stored as augmenting searches. - If nil, links will be stored as normal searches. +If t, links will be stored as augmenting searches. +If nil, links will be stored as normal searches. - Attention: When activating this option, you will need - to remove old articles from your mairix results group - in some other way, mairix will not do it for you. +Attention: When activating this option, you will need +to remove old articles from your mairix results group +in some other way, mairix will not do it for you. :group 'org-mairix :type 'boolean) (defcustom org-mairix-display-hook 'org-mairix-gnus-display-results Hook to call to display the results of a successful mairix search. - Defaults to Gnus, feel free to add your own MUAs or methods. +Defaults to Gnus, feel free to add your own MUAs or methods. :group 'org-mairix :type 'hook) (defcustom org-mairix-executable mairix The mairix executable to call. If your paths are set up - correctly, you should not need to change this. +correctly, you should not need to change this. :group 'org-mairix :type 'string) @@ -70,8 +70,8 @@ (defcustom org-mairix-gnus-results-group nnmaildir:mairix The group that is configured to hold the mairix search results, - which needs to be setup independently of the org-mairix integration, - along with general mairix configuration. +which needs to be setup independently of the org-mairix integration, +along with general mairix configuration. :group 'org-mairix-gnus :type 'string) @@ -85,7 +85,8 @@ ;;; Generic org-mairix functions (defun org-mairix-store-link () - Store a link to the current message as a Mairix search for its Message ID. + Store a link to the current message as a Mairix search for its +Message ID. ;; gnus integration (when (memq major-mode '(gnus-summary-mode gnus-article-mode)) @@ -94,10 +95,11 @@ (header (gnus-summary-article-header article)) (from (mail-header-from header)) (message-id (mail-header-id header)) - (date (mail-header-date header)) + ;; FIXME: (bzg) we don't need the date + (date (mail-header-date header)) (subject (gnus-summary-subject-string))) (org-store-link-props :type mairix :from from :subject subject - :message-id message-id ) + :message-id message-id) (setq cpltxt (org-email-link-description)) (org-store-link-props :link (concat mairix: (org-remove-angle-brackets message-id) (if org-mairix-threaded-links --thread) @@ -107,11 +109,12 @@ (defun org-mairix-open (path) Function to open mairix link. - We first need to split it into its individual parts, and then extract the - message-id to be passed on to the display function before call mairix, evaluate - the number of matches returned, and make sure to only call display of mairix - succeeded in matching. - +We first need to split it into its individual parts, and then +extract the message-id to be passed on to the display function +before call mairix, evaluate the number of matches returned, and +make sure to only call display of mairix succeeded in matching. + ;; FIXME (bzg) mhh... better use let* construct for arguments, + ;; message-id and cmdline. (setq
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode with Mairix: org-mairix.el
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:50:42 +0200 Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b Please have a look at the patch below and tell me if it solves the b issue above. Look for the small FIXME: (bzg) cookies in the patch. Thanks a lot for your help. The zombie issue is still present, and I've tried to address the FIXME: issues as well as possible, or ask for clarification on the point. b BTW, this might be just personal taste, but I would prefer a shorter b syntax for thread searches (like mairix:t). Right now --thread b in the link is converted as %20--thread and this is not parsed by b the (split-string ... ) part of your code. Strange, it worked when I first tested it, and now does no more. I agree shorter is nicer, so changed the syntax accordingly. Version 0.2 attached below. Please test, comment, improve... Best rgeards, Georg org-mairix.el Description: application/emacs-lisp -- Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) What everyone should know about DRM (http://DRM.info) pgpmYZuYmBd5O.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:38, Georg C. F. Greve wrote: I now created org-mairix-gnus.el to hook mairix into Org mode using Gnus as the MUA. This is essentially the same functionality (minus threading capabilities) so it can be used instead of the patch. A simple (require 'org-mairix-gnus) in your .gnus should do the job. Prerequisites are that mairix is set up, and that the variable mairix-gnus-results-group is set to whatever you're using to display mairix search results. I'd still like to clean up the code, however, and am wondering about potential threaded search. Would it be possible to a) give additional arguments to the function to open the link? or b) have different functions to follow the link? It strikes me that a might be much easier than b, though. It is entirely up to you to define the syntax for this and process arguments. The function org-mairix-gnus-open will be called with whatever was after the mairix: tag in the link. Just define your own syntax for passing arguments, like [[mairix:message-id -thread -verbose -new-frame]] and process it in org-mairix-gnus-open. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:41:13 -0700 Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd It is entirely up to you to define the syntax for this and process cd arguments. The function org-mairix-gnus-open will be called with cd whatever was after the mairix: tag in the link. Just define your cd own syntax for passing arguments, like cd[[mairix:message-id -thread -verbose -new-frame]] cd and process it in org-mairix-gnus-open. Yes, but this would be link based, instead of per search which is what I was considering. But maybe that is actually not necessary. I'll give this one a little more thought. Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) What everyone should know about DRM (http://DRM.info) pgphynWsm6Ekw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:05:31 -0700 Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd http://orgmode.org/org.html#Adding-hyperlink-types Thanks a lot. I now created org-mairix-gnus.el to hook mairix into Org mode using Gnus as the MUA. This is essentially the same functionality (minus threading capabilities) so it can be used instead of the patch. A simple (require 'org-mairix-gnus) in your .gnus should do the job. Prerequisites are that mairix is set up, and that the variable mairix-gnus-results-group is set to whatever you're using to display mairix search results. I'd still like to clean up the code, however, and am wondering about potential threaded search. Would it be possible to a) give additional arguments to the function to open the link? or b) have different functions to follow the link? It strikes me that a might be much easier than b, though. Regards, Georg org-mairix-gnus.el Description: application/emacs-lisp -- Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) What everyone should know about DRM (http://DRM.info) pgphOx2FtzYH5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:44, Georg C. F. Greve wrote: Hi all, did this thread come to a conclusion? I just checked out 5.09 and could not find any of the patches applied to it, so would assume that it is still hanging in mid-air. Well, there are now all the hooks in org-mode to introduce new link types. So from my side, this have come to some kind of a conclusion - I just hope that mairix and other link types will pop up eventually. - Carsten Based on a few months of experience with my patches, here is my take: On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:56:45 +0200 Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd First about the mairix integration. If I understand correctly, cd mairix does only the search, and you still do need to select a way cd how to display the results. In this case, wouldn't a syntax cd gnus:mairix:. cd vm:mairix:. cd be better? Not necessarily, it would make the link dependent on the MUA, which would otherwise not be the case. People probably don't switch back and forth all the time, but still it might be better to not code this into the system. A kind of generic org-visit-search-results that can be set to whatever method is being used with sane defaults might be a cleaner solution. Having a generic link-creation and link-visiting structure into which one can hook the different backends should be the way to go, I guess. Initially I also had a mairix with thread and mairix without thread link type, but now find myself thinking that it would be better to only have a mairix link and decide during search whether or not to use threads or influence other search parameters. cd The basic structure of an extension could look like this: Yeah, I think this would work. Is there already a patch out there? Can someone supply a clean patch for this that will make it into Org-Mode? I'm willing to have another look at this, but would prefer to work against a proper target. Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) What everyone should know about DRM (http://DRM.info) -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut Anton Pannekoek Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Sep 23, 2007, at 14:50, Georg C. F. Greve wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:12:09 -0700 Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd Well, there are now all the hooks in org-mode to introduce new link cd types. So from my side, this have come to some kind of a cd conclusion - I just hope that mairix and other link types will pop cd up eventually. I've looked for the function names that you suggested in your mails, but did not see them. A quick glance also did not seem to make it obvious where to hook this in. Could you maybe give me a hint where to look? http://orgmode.org/org.html#Adding-hyperlink-types - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Aug 14, 2007, at 13:29, Adam Spiers wrote: In this case, wouldn't a syntax gnus:mairix:. vm:mairix:. be better? Possibly - that depends on whether any user would ever want to create links which fired up more than one MUA With the possible exception that you'd like GNUS for usenet messages and some mailing application for your mail? I can't think of a use case for the former, and the latter seems cleaner (and means that if you change MUA you don't have to do a search/replace on all your links), This is a good point. Personal plea: please bear in mind those of us who use MUAs not based in emacs! For example, my preferred action when following a mairix link is to pop up a fresh xterm with `mutt -f $mairix_folder' running inside it. Yes, this should be made possible. So far I have liked the fact that many more common Emacs packages are integrated with Org-mode right out of the box, and that no setup steps are needed. However, with this indexing stuff, it seems that the time for a general extension mechanism has come - this will also allow many other hacks. Bastien, I looked at your code, and I want to propose to you to modify it in the following way - making it closer to how John Wiegley has implemented it for planner/wiki/muse. This leads to the other point I wanted to make, although its scope is possibly too great for this list: I would greatly prefer any such solution to allow hyperlinking from within other modes - muse in particular. Perhaps this could be done via orgstruct, or maybe the org and muse camps could get together and agree to standardize on a single syntax for hyperlinking, e.g. implemented via a shared minor mode. What are the differences? The basic structure [[link][description]] is already the same. So I guess you are referring to things like how the message-id is attached to the link, and how targets are specified? It is certainly possible to write a command that would correctly open an Org-mode style link in any buffer. Could even be a separate minor mode, just for this one command. I'll take a look. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
Carsten Dominik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Aug 7, 2007, at 19:54, Bastien wrote: Here is a patch against latest org-mode 5.04 as a first attempt of implementing custom link-types (stored in `org-link-custom-types'.) org.el_07082007.patch It lets you define an alist of custom link-types. See the docstring of `org-link-custom-types'. Then you need to define the follow/store functions by yourself. Here are the defuns I use (in addition to Georg's mairix.el): I have read the discussion about extending link capabilities with great interrest, and I do like the code that has been written. Thanks in particular to Adam Spiers and George Greve for their inspiring mairix hack. My pleasure :-) Here is my take on it. First about the mairix integration. If I understand correctly, mairix does only the search, and you still do need to select a way how to display the results. In this case, wouldn't a syntax gnus:mairix:. vm:mairix:. be better? Possibly - that depends on whether any user would ever want to create links which fired up more than one MUA; otherwise the choice of MUA could be set with a defcustom. I can't think of a use case for the former, and the latter seems cleaner (and means that if you change MUA you don't have to do a search/replace on all your links), but no doubt someone will think of an opposing argument. Personal plea: please bear in mind those of us who use MUAs not based in emacs! For example, my preferred action when following a mairix link is to pop up a fresh xterm with `mutt -f $mairix_folder' running inside it. Then I understand that mairix is only one of many possible indexing tools, so we probably should go for a general solution. Agreed. So far I have liked the fact that many more common Emacs packages are integrated with Org-mode right out of the box, and that no setup steps are needed. However, with this indexing stuff, it seems that the time for a general extension mechanism has come - this will also allow many other hacks. Bastien, I looked at your code, and I want to propose to you to modify it in the following way - making it closer to how John Wiegley has implemented it for planner/wiki/muse. This leads to the other point I wanted to make, although its scope is possibly too great for this list: I would greatly prefer any such solution to allow hyperlinking from within other modes - muse in particular. Perhaps this could be done via orgstruct, or maybe the org and muse camps could get together and agree to standardize on a single syntax for hyperlinking, e.g. implemented via a shared minor mode. Wishful thinking? I don't know, but it does strike me that there is some duplication of effort across not just org and muse, but also browse-url.el and possibly others. Incidentally, I think it's great that org-mode already uses URL-like locators for external links. This would be a good foundation for a unification project. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Aug 7, 2007, at 19:54, Bastien wrote: Here is a patch against latest org-mode 5.04 as a first attempt of implementing custom link-types (stored in `org-link-custom-types'.) org.el_07082007.patch It lets you define an alist of custom link-types. See the docstring of `org-link-custom-types'. Then you need to define the follow/store functions by yourself. Here are the defuns I use (in addition to Georg's mairix.el): I have read the discussion about extending link capabilities with great interrest, and I do like the code that has been written. Thanks in particular to Adam Spiers and George Greve for their inspiring mairix hack. Here is my take on it. First about the mairix integration. If I understand correctly, mairix does only the search, and you still do need to select a way how to display the results. In this case, wouldn't a syntax gnus:mairix:. vm:mairix:. be better? Then I understand that mairix is only one of many possible indexing tools, so we probably should go for a general solution. So far I have liked the fact that many more common Emacs packages are integrated with Org-mode right out of the box, and that no setup steps are needed. However, with this indexing stuff, it seems that the time for a general extension mechanism has come - this will also allow many other hacks. Bastien, I looked at your code, and I want to propose to you to modify it in the following way - making it closer to how John Wiegley has implemented it for planner/wiki/muse. The basic structure of an extension could look like this: (require 'org) (org-add-link-type mairix 'org-mairix-follow-link 'org-mairix-publish-link) (add-hook 'org-store-link-functions 'org-mairix-store-link) (defun org-follow-mairix-link (path) this will be called by org-open-at-point ... ) (defun org-mairix-publish-link (path) this returns something that can be used when publishing the file ... ) (defun org-mairx-store-link () This function should test if it is relevant for the current buffer. If yes, return a link for org-store-link. If not, return nil ))) (provide 'org-mairix) org-add-link-type needs to add mairix to the link types, and it needs to re-make all regular expression constants that use org-link-types, also indirectly. org-store-link will try all functions in org-store-link-functions in turn, maybe using run-hooks-with-args-until-success. Only if all of them return nil, then org-mode will check for the other, built-in link types. So this is very similar to to what Bastien has already done, but has the advantage the all a user needs to do is (require 'org-mairix) - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:44:48 -0400 Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xj Perhaps we should actually suggest Carsten build nnir support in xj org-mode and at the same time persuade the maintainer of nnir.el to xj support mairix? ;-) I think this could be a clean solution to the problem. Here is a patch against latest org-mode 5.04 as a first attempt of implementing custom link-types (stored in `org-link-custom-types'.) diff --git a/org.el b/org.el index 1fc081e..c139be1 100644 --- a/org.el +++ b/org.el @@ -968,6 +968,23 @@ Automatically means, when TAB or RET or C-c C-c are pressed in the line. The value of this is taken from the #+LINK lines.) (make-variable-buffer-local 'org-link-abbrev-alist-local) +(defcustom org-link-custom-types nil + Alist of recognized link types. +This types are appended to `org-link-types'. +Each cell is of the form + + \(\type\ \(follow-function store-function major-mode\)\) + +where \type\ is the string defining the type, follow-function +is the function that Org will call to follow these links, +store-function the function that Org will use to store these link +and major-mode the major mode where it's active. + :group 'org-link + :type '(repeat (list (string :tag Type (string) ) + (function :tag Follow function ) + (function :tag Store function ) + (function :tag Active in major mode + (defcustom org-link-abbrev-alist nil Alist of link abbreviations. The car of each element is a string, to be replaced at the start of a link. @@ -4140,8 +4157,11 @@ that will be added to PLIST. Returns the string that was modified. (require 'font-lock) (defconst org-non-link-chars ]\t\n\r) -(defconst org-link-types '(http https ftp mailto file news bbdb vm - wl mhe rmail gnus shell info elisp)) +(defconst org-link-types + (append (list http https ftp mailto file news bbdb vm + wl mhe rmail gnus shell info elisp) + (delq nil (mapcar (lambda(x) (car x)) org-link-custom-types + (defconst org-link-re-with-space (concat ?\\( (mapconcat 'identity org-link-types \\|) \\): @@ -10410,9 +10430,13 @@ For links to usenet articles, arg negates `org-usenet-links-prefer-google'. For file links, arg negates `org-context-in-file-links'. (interactive P) (setq org-store-link-plist nil) ; reset - (let (link cpltxt desc description search txt) + (let (link cpltxt desc description search txt cus) (cond + ((setq cus (assq major-mode (mapcar '(lambda(e) (reverse e)) + org-link-custom-types))) + (funcall (nth 1 cus))) + ((eq major-mode 'bbdb-mode) (let ((name (bbdb-record-name (bbdb-current-record))) (company (bbdb-record-getprop (bbdb-current-record) 'company))) @@ -11006,7 +11030,7 @@ optional argument IN-EMACS is non-nil, Emacs will visit the file. (org-remove-occur-highlights nil nil t) (if (org-at-timestamp-p t) (org-follow-timestamp-link) -(let (type path link line search (pos (point))) +(let (type path link line search (pos (point)) cus) (catch 'match (save-excursion (skip-chars-forward ^]\n\r) @@ -11177,7 +11201,10 @@ optional argument IN-EMACS is non-nil, Emacs will visit the file. (message %s = %s cmd (eval (read cmd))) (error Abort - (t + ((setq cus (assoc type org-link-custom-types)) + (funcall (nth 1 cus) path)) + + (t (browse-url-at-point) (move-marker org-open-link-marker nil)) It lets you define an alist of custom link-types. See the docstring of `org-link-custom-types'. Then you need to define the follow/store functions by yourself. Here are the defuns I use (in addition to Georg's mairix.el): org-mairix.el Description: application/emacs-lisp I think the nnir.el support could be provided via custom link types, instead of being hardcoded within org.el. Please test it and give me feedback! PS: i started to have a look at nnir.el to make it aware of mairix. But i'm not sure i'll have time for this till the end of the week. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:44:48 -0400 Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xj Perhaps we should actually suggest Carsten build nnir support in xj org-mode and at the same time persuade the maintainer of nnir.el to xj support mairix? ;-) I think this could be a clean solution to the problem. Unfortunately my time to spend on persuasion is extremely limited, but if you CC me on the emails sent to the maintainers, I'll add my I think this would be a great idea bit to it. ;) Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) What everyone should know about DRM (http://DRM.info) pgpQGTbKsiWnA.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason F. McBrayer) writes: Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably it's the time for us to think of a universal way to support system dependent 3rd party index tools. Mairix may not be the only search tool people want to use with org-mode, though it is my favourite and only index tool I use for now. Please see (and comment) my suggestion here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2563 I think that's basically right, though in the case of email search, probably the best thing would be making nnir work right (and provide nnir with a mairix backend). nnir is supposed to provide a layer of indirection between mail indexers and gnus, which should be enough for org-mode needs. Perhaps we should actually suggest Carsten build nnir support in org-mode and at the same time persuade the maintainer of nnir.el to support mairix? ;-) -- +---+ | Jason F. McBrayer[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada| ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- c/*__o/* \ * (__ */\ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably it's the time for us to think of a universal way to support system dependent 3rd party index tools. Mairix may not be the only search tool people want to use with org-mode, though it is my favourite and only index tool I use for now. Please see (and comment) my suggestion here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2563 I think that's basically right, though in the case of email search, probably the best thing would be making nnir work right (and provide nnir with a mairix backend). nnir is supposed to provide a layer of indirection between mail indexers and gnus, which should be enough for org-mode needs. -- +---+ | Jason F. McBrayer[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada| ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason F. McBrayer) writes: Please see (and comment) my suggestion here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2563 I think that's basically right, though in the case of email search, probably the best thing would be making nnir work right (and provide nnir with a mairix backend). Yes, that would be even better. Although I think we could have both: a org-gnus-links-prefer-nnir option (and mairix or namazu or swish-e ... being called by nnir.el) *and* a org-custom-link-types (if one want to store links from within, say, a man page.) -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So if you do [[mairixt:m:xyz]] it will pull out the entire thread in which that message id is present, so you have the full context, which I find very useful. Yes, i also like the fast intexing. Other people playing with it around? TBH, I haven't messed with mairix or the associated patches posted here, even though I do need such a solution, because it doesn't look like any of the posted solutions work with IMAP mailstores, only local mailstores like nnml and nnmaildir. -- +---+ | Jason F. McBrayer[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada| ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
Hi, it seems I have almost missed the best thing in this list. Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi George, Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think there is any chance it would make it into the Org package? I would greatly prefer not having to maintain a patch for a longer period of time. I can understand that. Carsten, what do you think? I would really appreciate it. On the one hand, mairix is unlikely to be heavily in use among Org users (unless we continue praising it!), so there is no *strong* necessity of making Org natively interact with it. On the other hand, you cannot maintain mairix integration through an external library since it depends on `org-link-types', `org-store-link' and `org-open-at-point'. I would say it worth keeping it into Org. One request though: could we spare the cost of a new specific type for threaded searches? For example we could have `org-gnus-links-prefer-mairix' being either nil, 'threaded or t, so that you can handle the thread option as an argument, even in mairix-search. Probably it's the time for us to think of a universal way to support system dependent 3rd party index tools. Mairix may not be the only search tool people want to use with org-mode, though it is my favourite and only index tool I use for now. So if you do [[mairixt:m:xyz]] it will pull out the entire thread in which that message id is present, so you have the full context, which I find very useful. Yes, i also like the fast intexing. Other people playing with it around? Sorry, but I missed the thread. Where can I grab the code for support in org-mode? Xiao-Yong -- c/*__o/* \ * (__ */\ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:56:18 -0400 Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xj Sorry, but I missed the thread. Where can I grab the code for xj support in org-mode? Since there were small changes, allow me to repost. This is a patch against org.el that incorporates mairix into org.el: --- org.el.orig 2007-07-22 13:52:40.0 +0200 +++ org.el 2007-07-30 15:45:10.0 +0200 @@ -1100,6 +1100,18 @@ negates this setting for the duration of :group 'org-link-store :type 'boolean) +(defcustom org-gnus-links-prefer-mairix nil + Non-nil means, `org-store-link' will create links to Mairix searches for gnus. +When nil, traditional Gnus links (group article) will be used for such links. + :group 'org-link-store + :type 'boolean) + +(defcustom org-mairix-links-prefer-threaded nil + Non-nil means, that links to Mairix searches will be stored as thread searches. + When nil, the links to Mairix searches will be stored as single message searches. + :group 'org-link-store + :type 'boolean) + (defgroup org-link-follow nil Options concerning following links in Org-mode :tag Org Follow Link @@ -4141,7 +4153,7 @@ that will be added to PLIST. Returns th (defconst org-non-link-chars ]\t\n\r) (defconst org-link-types '(http https ftp mailto file news bbdb vm - wl mhe rmail gnus shell info elisp)) + wl mhe rmail mairix mairixt gnus shell info elisp)) (defconst org-link-re-with-space (concat ?\\( (mapconcat 'identity org-link-types \\|) \\): @@ -10537,14 +10549,18 @@ For file links, arg negates `org-context (org-store-link-props :type gnus :from from :subject subject :message-id message-id :group group) (setq cpltxt (org-email-link-description)) - (if (org-xor arg org-usenet-links-prefer-google) - (setq link - (concat - cpltxt \n - (format http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=%s; - (org-fixup-message-id-for-http message-id - (setq link (org-make-link gnus: group -# (number-to-string article)) + (if org-gnus-links-prefer-mairix + (if org-mairix-links-prefer-threaded + (setq link (org-make-link mairixt:m: (substring message-id 1 -1))) + (setq link (org-make-link mairix:m: (substring message-id 1 -1 + (if (org-xor arg org-usenet-links-prefer-google) + (setq link + (concat + cpltxt \n + (format http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=%s; + (org-fixup-message-id-for-http message-id + (setq link (org-make-link gnus: group +# (number-to-string article))) ((eq major-mode 'w3-mode) (setq cpltxt (url-view-url t) @@ -11105,6 +11121,12 @@ optional argument IN-EMACS is non-nil, E ((string= type news) (org-follow-gnus-link path)) + ((string= type mairix) + (org-follow-mairix-link path)) + + ((string= type mairixt) + (org-follow-mairix-link-thread path)) + ((string= type bbdb) (org-follow-bbdb-link path)) @@ -11473,6 +11495,23 @@ onto the ring. (Info-find-node (match-string 1 name) Top))) (message (concat Could not open: name +; the following two org-follow-mairix functions should be generalised +; to deal with the different mail readers, right now they simply hook +; into some primitive gnus glue +(defun org-follow-mairix-link (string) + Follow a Mairix link to its string. + (require 'gnus) + (funcall (cdr (assq 'gnus org-link-frame-setup))) + (if gnus-other-frame-object (select-frame gnus-other-frame-object)) + (mairix-search string)) + +(defun org-follow-mairix-link-thread (string) + Follow a Mairix link to its string. + (require 'gnus) + (funcall (cdr (assq 'gnus org-link-frame-setup))) + (if gnus-other-frame-object (select-frame gnus-other-frame-object)) + (mairix-search-thread string)) + (defun org-follow-gnus-link (optional group article) Follow a Gnus link to GROUP and ARTICLE. (require 'gnus) The patch should be safe to apply in that it should not break anything. For it to make sense you'll need to glue it into gnus with additional code, here is the code I use: binV0gzkkFMAK.bin Description: application/emacs-lisp Beware: This part is a cludge. It works for me, but YMMV. It allows me to store links the normal way (C-c l) as mairix links and insert them into my Org files normally (C-c C-l). I can also always insert the latest SENT mail into my Org files by doing (C-c C-S-l). Please consider all my stuff under GNU GPL v2 or later (v3 explicitly allowed) so if someone wants to grab this and turn it into a clean solution, that would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Georg P.S. For completeness, and to make your life easier in trying this, this is my .mairixrc file: base=/home/greve mbox=Archive/Mail/Auto/incoming/-??:Archive/Mail/Auto/outgoing/-?? database=/home/greve/Tools/Gnus/MairixDB mformat=maildir mfolder=.nnmaildir/mairix P.P.S. In theory you can also use other backends to access mairix search results, but I found nnmaildir to be the
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably it's the time for us to think of a universal way to support system dependent 3rd party index tools. Mairix may not be the only search tool people want to use with org-mode, though it is my favourite and only index tool I use for now. Please see (and comment) my suggestion here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2563 -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
Hi George, Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think there is any chance it would make it into the Org package? I would greatly prefer not having to maintain a patch for a longer period of time. I can understand that. Carsten, what do you think? On the one hand, mairix is unlikely to be heavily in use among Org users (unless we continue praising it!), so there is no *strong* necessity of making Org natively interact with it. On the other hand, you cannot maintain mairix integration through an external library since it depends on `org-link-types', `org-store-link' and `org-open-at-point'. I would say it worth keeping it into Org. One request though: could we spare the cost of a new specific type for threaded searches? For example we could have `org-gnus-links-prefer-mairix' being either nil, 'threaded or t, so that you can handle the thread option as an argument, even in mairix-search. So if you do [[mairixt:m:xyz]] it will pull out the entire thread in which that message id is present, so you have the full context, which I find very useful. Yes, i also like the fast intexing. Other people playing with it around? -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
Hi Georg and list, Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:08:33 +0100 Adam Spiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as Funnily enough, I implemented exactly this idea about 15 months as ago, except that my implementation uses mairix (the mail indexer), as and is mode-agnostic. Thanks a lot, this is most interesting and put me on the right track. Combining your work with that of Guy Hillenius, which he blogged at http://www.hillenius.net/node/44 I integrated Gnus, Mairix Org now. Thanks for pointing on mairix and providing an integrated solution for org/Gnus/mairix. I tried your patch and the mairix-related elisp code, it works fine here. One little fix though: if Gnus is not loaded when following a mairix link, it returns an error. Please make `org-follow-mairix-link' and `org-follow-mairix-link-thread' (re)loading Gnus with something like: (require 'gnus) (funcall (cdr (assq 'gnus org-link-frame-setup))) (if gnus-other-frame-object (select-frame gnus-other-frame-object)) The mairix solution is especially elegant because it does not only handle the case where you need to find a particular email, but it also comes with lots of useful search options. For example, if you need to check all message explicitely sent to you in the last three days, just add a link like: [[mairix:d:3d- t:me]] If you need to find mails from Carsten with Org in their subjects: [[mairix:s:Org f:Carsten]] Caveat: for those who want to use mairix with the `nnml' Gnus backend, install mairix 0.17.1. Debian(-based) systems will only install 0.17 and your `nnml' folders won't be indexed. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Integration of Org mode and mairix
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:08:33 +0100 Adam Spiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as Funnily enough, I implemented exactly this idea about 15 months as ago, except that my implementation uses mairix (the mail indexer), as and is mode-agnostic. Thanks a lot, this is most interesting and put me on the right track. Combining your work with that of Guy Hillenius, which he blogged at http://www.hillenius.net/node/44 I integrated Gnus, Mairix Org now. The core is a patch for org.el -- this patch is still somewhat primitive, but should not break anything and unless the new variables are changed will not change standard behaviour: --- org.el.orig 2007-07-22 13:52:40.0 +0200 +++ org.el 2007-07-22 17:44:51.0 +0200 @@ -1100,6 +1100,18 @@ negates this setting for the duration of :group 'org-link-store :type 'boolean) +(defcustom org-gnus-links-prefer-mairix nil + Non-nil means, `org-store-link' will create links to Mairix searches for gnus. +When nil, traditional Gnus links (group article) will be used for such links. + :group 'org-link-store + :type 'boolean) + +(defcustom org-mairix-links-prefer-threaded nil + Non-nil means, that links to Mairix searches will be stored as thread searches. + When nil, the links to Mairix searches will be stored as single message searches. + :group 'org-link-store + :type 'boolean) + (defgroup org-link-follow nil Options concerning following links in Org-mode :tag Org Follow Link @@ -4141,7 +4153,7 @@ that will be added to PLIST. Returns th (defconst org-non-link-chars ]\t\n\r) (defconst org-link-types '(http https ftp mailto file news bbdb vm - wl mhe rmail gnus shell info elisp)) + wl mhe rmail mairix mairixt gnus shell info elisp)) (defconst org-link-re-with-space (concat ?\\( (mapconcat 'identity org-link-types \\|) \\): @@ -10537,14 +10549,18 @@ For file links, arg negates `org-context (org-store-link-props :type gnus :from from :subject subject :message-id message-id :group group) (setq cpltxt (org-email-link-description)) - (if (org-xor arg org-usenet-links-prefer-google) - (setq link - (concat - cpltxt \n - (format http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=%s; - (org-fixup-message-id-for-http message-id - (setq link (org-make-link gnus: group -# (number-to-string article)) + (if org-gnus-links-prefer-mairix + (if org-mairix-links-prefer-threaded + (setq link (org-make-link mairixt:m: (substring message-id 1 -1))) + (setq link (org-make-link mairix:m: (substring message-id 1 -1 + (if (org-xor arg org-usenet-links-prefer-google) + (setq link + (concat + cpltxt \n + (format http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=%s; + (org-fixup-message-id-for-http message-id + (setq link (org-make-link gnus: group +# (number-to-string article))) ((eq major-mode 'w3-mode) (setq cpltxt (url-view-url t) @@ -11105,6 +11121,12 @@ optional argument IN-EMACS is non-nil, E ((string= type news) (org-follow-gnus-link path)) + ((string= type mairix) + (org-follow-mairix-link path)) + + ((string= type mairixt) + (org-follow-mairix-link-thread path)) + ((string= type bbdb) (org-follow-bbdb-link path)) @@ -11473,6 +11495,17 @@ onto the ring. (Info-find-node (match-string 1 name) Top))) (message (concat Could not open: name +; the following two org-follow-mairix functions should be generalised +; to deal with the different mail readers, right now they simply hook +; into some primitive gnus glue +(defun org-follow-mairix-link (string) + Follow a Mairix link to its string. + (mairix-search string)) + +(defun org-follow-mairix-link-thread (string) + Follow a Mairix link to its string. + (mairix-search-thread string)) + (defun org-follow-gnus-link (optional group article) Follow a Gnus link to GROUP and ARTICLE. (require 'gnus) But if someone feels like improving this so it can go into mainstream org.el, that would be great. Right now it needs some glue in your .gnus.el binOBpAvi4mNQ.bin Description: application/emacs-lisp and you should configure .mairixrc to store its search results where Gnus stores its nnmaildir data. Mine looks like this: base=/home/greve mbox=Archive/Mail/Auto/incoming/-??:Archive/Mail/Auto/outgoing/-?? mformat=maildir mfolder=.nnmaildir/mairix database=/home/greve/Tools/Gnus/MairixDB With this you can store Org links as mairix links, including the possibility to store links to emails that will pull the entire thread that contains this message into the temporary buffer -- so you'll only need to link to one and always get the entire thread. For convenience it also makes sense to define some key bindings. This gives as much functionality as normal Gnus integration otherwise, although now it is no longer needed to know WHERE things are stored, as mairix will find it regardless of final location. So this
