Re: [Orgmode] Re: Feature request: HTML table formatting
I'll agree with Daniel that sometimes, it's useful to have vertical table separators. Here's how I kind-of do it: | asdlfj | | alsjfdas | |+---+--| | alsdjf | | aqsljf | | asdljf | | asldjf | This is visible enough inside of org-mode and it yields a widish gap in exported html -- a horizontal screen space waster, though. I suppose one way to denote a vertical separator without adding an extra symbol would be to allow tables in org-mode that look like this: | asdlfj || alsjfdas | |++--| | alsdjf || aqsljf | | asdljf || asldjf | Scott Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:23:16 +0200 From: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 12, 2007, at 20:48, Daniel J. Sinder wrote: I think rejecting vertical rules as a matter of style is a mistake. Whether you consider org-mode tables to be a markup or a spreadsheet, it's peers -- HTML, LaTeX, Gnumeric, Excel, etc. -- will all produce tables with vertical rules if asked to do so. I'm wary of tools that enforce style. I'd prefer to read the style guide and then decide for myself (that is, use it as a *guide* not an edict). Fair enough. However, if vertical rules are too clunky, difficult, time-consuming, or low priority to implement, that's an entirely different matter that I can fully understand. As I said, I don't want to have a special separator for this, implementation would be very cumbersome and I'd like to be able to have ! as a character in a table field. Maybe something like a special #+FORMAT line above the table to set special formatting directives. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Feature request: HTML table formatting
I'll agree with Daniel that sometimes, it's useful to have vertical table separators. Here's how I kind-of do it: | asdlfj | | alsjfdas | |+---+--| | alsdjf | | aqsljf | | asdljf | | asldjf | This is visible enough inside of org-mode and it yields a widish gap in exported html -- a horizontal screen space waster, though. I suppose one way to denote a vertical separator without adding an extra symbol would be to allow tables in org-mode that look like this: | asdlfj || alsjfdas | |++--| | alsdjf || aqsljf | | asdljf || asldjf | Scott Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:23:16 +0200 From: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 12, 2007, at 20:48, Daniel J. Sinder wrote: I think rejecting vertical rules as a matter of style is a mistake. Whether you consider org-mode tables to be a markup or a spreadsheet, it's peers -- HTML, LaTeX, Gnumeric, Excel, etc. -- will all produce tables with vertical rules if asked to do so. I'm wary of tools that enforce style. I'd prefer to read the style guide and then decide for myself (that is, use it as a *guide* not an edict). Fair enough. However, if vertical rules are too clunky, difficult, time-consuming, or low priority to implement, that's an entirely different matter that I can fully understand. As I said, I don't want to have a special separator for this, implementation would be very cumbersome and I'd like to be able to have ! as a character in a table field. Maybe something like a special #+FORMAT line above the table to set special formatting directives. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Feature request: HTML table formatting
Matej Cepl wrote: To the presentation of tables I would strongly suggest reading http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/booktabs/booktabs.pdf -- whenever I broke rules set there, I regreted it later. For publication quality tables, as per the above reference, I would generally agree that vertical lines have no place. However, if you're using org-mode to produce publication quality tables, I'd argue that you're probably using the wrong tool. LaTeX (and all the emacs support for it) is probably the way to go from the start. In some respects, org-mode tables are more powerful than LaTeX tables as they can be used as spreadsheets. I use org mode on a near-daily basis to collect information about my work and share it with my colleagues for analysis. The information is sometimes raw data that will never (and should never) be consumed for casual reading. In some of these cases, I find that vertical separators can increase readability and/or delineate different test conditions or data sets. I think rejecting vertical rules as a matter of style is a mistake. Whether you consider org-mode tables to be a markup or a spreadsheet, it's peers -- HTML, LaTeX, Gnumeric, Excel, etc. -- will all produce tables with vertical rules if asked to do so. I'm wary of tools that enforce style. I'd prefer to read the style guide and then decide for myself (that is, use it as a *guide* not an edict). However, if vertical rules are too clunky, difficult, time-consuming, or low priority to implement, that's an entirely different matter that I can fully understand. If I come up with an implementation, I'll gladly contribute it back for those that want it. Dan ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Feature request: HTML table formatting
On Apr 12, 2007, at 20:48, Daniel J. Sinder wrote: I think rejecting vertical rules as a matter of style is a mistake. Whether you consider org-mode tables to be a markup or a spreadsheet, it's peers -- HTML, LaTeX, Gnumeric, Excel, etc. -- will all produce tables with vertical rules if asked to do so. I'm wary of tools that enforce style. I'd prefer to read the style guide and then decide for myself (that is, use it as a *guide* not an edict). Fair enough. However, if vertical rules are too clunky, difficult, time-consuming, or low priority to implement, that's an entirely different matter that I can fully understand. As I said, I don't want to have a special separator for this, implementation would be very cumbersome and I'd like to be able to have ! as a character in a table field. Maybe something like a special #+FORMAT line above the table to set special formatting directives. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
