Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 April 2014 00:10:38 Jon Elson did opine: > On 04/11/2014 09:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I agree Jon, but I think its me that needs to learn how > > more than LCNC needs to be trained. > > I had the capability of putting home switches on my machine from > the VERY beginning, but

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/11/2014 10:00 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > All that Jon, may get done, but ATM I am out of I/O pins, waiting on a low > profile back plate for a 5i25. Then the fun begins, trying to re-create in > the 5i25, what I have now with a normal, but single parport. > And, I think home switches are mo

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/11/2014 09:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > I agree Jon, but I think its me that needs to learn how > more than LCNC needs to be trained. I had the capability of putting home switches on my machine from the VERY beginning, but I was lazy, didn't quite know how it was supposed to work, etc. etc.

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 22:53:00 Jon Elson did opine: > Gene, > > Anyway, I strongly suggest you set up home switches and > establish > axis limits from the home position. I didn't do this for a LONG > time on my mill, and was VERY happy with the result when I > finally got around to doing it!

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 22:36:19 Jon Elson did opine: > On 04/11/2014 12:07 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > In actual practice, at least here Jon, hitting the +Z > > limit is astronomically unlikely, assume +Z is to the > > right when viewing the lathe from the normal, spindle on > > the left, perspec

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 22:21:53 Jon Elson did opine: > On 04/11/2014 01:35 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that Gene doesn't "touch off" in the way > > we think of it. If I've followed past conversations correctly, > > he actually homes the machine using contact between > > tool and

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Elson
Gene, Anyway, I strongly suggest you set up home switches and establish axis limits from the home position. I didn't do this for a LONG time on my mill, and was VERY happy with the result when I finally got around to doing it! I use the touch-off button in Axis to set the offsets for various wo

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/11/2014 12:07 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > In actual practice, at least here Jon, hitting the +Z > limit is astronomically unlikely, assume +Z is to the > right when viewing the lathe from the normal, spindle on > the left, perspective. But my homing procedure, sets Z0.0 > at the face of the

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/11/2014 01:35 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > I'm pretty sure that Gene doesn't "touch off" in the way > we think of it. If I've followed past conversations correctly, > he actually homes the machine using contact between > tool and work (or tool and a widget that gives him a > reference point).

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 16:25:14 John Kasunich did opine: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 04/11/2014 12:41 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > And I haven't checked (I have to think about this stuff & > > > then go back & check) as to whether the soft limits move > > > with

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 04/11/2014 12:41 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > And I haven't checked (I have to think about this stuff & > > then go back & check) as to whether the soft limits move > > with the touchoff or not. > The soft limits are in machine coordinate

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 12:37:38 Jon Elson did opine: > On 04/11/2014 12:41 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > The main reason I was concentrating on the limits, using > > the same code, was that I had written a peck cycle wrapped > > around a G33.1, which advanced half a turn per run in. I > > had moved

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/11/2014 12:41 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > The main reason I was concentrating on the limits, using > the same code, was that I had written a peck cycle wrapped > around a G33.1, which advanced half a turn per run in. I > had moved the code back away from the workpiece, basically > cutting a

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 08:22:36 John Thornton did opine: > This is another example of why you should always have a preamble to set > up the conditions you expect to have before the code runs. > > http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen01.html Precisely John, and I am learning that, belatedly but

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-11 Thread John Thornton
This is another example of why you should always have a preamble to set up the conditions you expect to have before the code runs. http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen01.html JT On 4/10/2014 11:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > If I load some code that expects to run in G20, and before I exec it,

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 01:42:26 Sebastian Kuzminsky did opine: > On 04/10/2014 10:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > If I load some code that expects to run in G20, and before I exec it, > > goto MDI and issue a G21, the only F command in it, f1.5 (was > > polishing a taper with a diamond wheel in a

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 00:59:31 Sebastian Kuzminsky did opine: > On 04/10/2014 11:38 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I believe a similar gotcha exists in the MIN_LIMIT/MAX_LIMIT of the > > .ini files. They are not, when given in inches, scaled to match > > actual distances without a trip into gedit f

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 04/10/2014 10:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > If I load some code that expects to run in G20, and before I exec it, goto > MDI and issue a G21, the only F command in it, f1.5 (was polishing a taper > with a diamond wheel in a dremel when I cut that code) and then run it, it > takes the f1.5 as 1

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 04/10/2014 11:38 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > I believe a similar gotcha exists in the MIN_LIMIT/MAX_LIMIT of the .ini > files. They are not, when given in inches, scaled to match actual distances > without a trip into gedit for a metric translation. I got used to the old > way, and its going t

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 April 2014 00:07:59 Sebastian Kuzminsky did opine: > On 04/10/2014 06:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 10 April 2014 20:29:33 Andy Pugh did opine: > >>> On 10 Apr 2014, at 18:38, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> > >>> Fspeed for instance, is not scaled up to the metric equ, so th

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 04/10/2014 06:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 10 April 2014 20:29:33 Andy Pugh did opine: > >>> On 10 Apr 2014, at 18:38, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> >>> Fspeed for instance, is not scaled up to the metric equ, so the sim >>> runs painfully slow >> >> How do you think it should be done? >

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread sam sokolik
you could do something as simple as G20 F15 G21 On 04/10/2014 08:03 PM, Eric Keller wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> I don't think it was quite all that encompassing before, Andy, and you are >> by pure common sense correct. So if I run in metric mode, I'll hav

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Eric Keller
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I don't think it was quite all that encompassing before, Andy, and you are > by pure common sense correct. So if I run in metric mode, I'll have to > recall that F is in mm per min. That means a bunch of them. As in 15 > ipm=384mm-min.

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 10 April 2014 20:29:33 Andy Pugh did opine: > > On 10 Apr 2014, at 18:38, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Fspeed for instance, is not scaled up to the metric equ, so the sim > > runs painfully slow > > How do you think it should be done? > Are you suggesting that after switching to metr

Re: [Emc-developers] sim gotchas in sim/axis/lathe

2014-04-10 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 10 Apr 2014, at 18:38, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Fspeed for instance, is not scaled up to the metric equ, so the sim runs > painfully slow How do you think it should be done? Are you suggesting that after switching to metric and the interpreter seeing f15 it should guess you meant inches