Re: A Different Kind of EMC Problem

2002-11-13 Thread Cortland Richmond
Don, and the group, This is not so complex. As you surmise, parts of the house wiring are being switched in and out by devices on it, and the broadcast RF present on the wiring is being modulated by that switching. While probing around the house with an untuned RF detector, I've found power

IEC60065 and Canadian requirements

2002-11-13 Thread amund
Safety folks, Assume testing according to IEC60065, which other tests / requirements will be in addition for Canada (national requirements) ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo / Norway

Re: TC77b Rewrite of 61000-4-2 and 61000-4-4

2002-11-13 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote (in hzkt6eaugh09e...@jmwa.demon.co.uk) about 'TC77b Rewrite of 61000-4-2 and 61000-4-4' on Wed, 13 Nov 2002: Also, the boilerplate text for Normative References clauses has been changed to: QUOTE The following normative documents

Re: A Different Kind of EMC Problem

2002-11-13 Thread Doug McKean
If the problem were emissions, the interference would be very audible with the radio station off the air. Just a rambling thought pattern ... I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this. If the radio carrier drops off, the front end stage and intermediate stages aren't carrying an rf

Re: Radiated immunity testing above 1 GHz

2002-11-13 Thread Ken Javor
They're usually VSWR tripped. I f you want one to operate with high vswr, then you need a circulator or isolator to absorb the reverse power. -- From: richwo...@tycoint.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Radiated immunity testing above 1 GHz Date: Wed, Nov 13, 2002, 8:00 AM

RE: GR-78 Circuit pack ESD test.

2002-11-13 Thread Gary McInturff
Strongly suggest you consider using the IEC test from 1089, which is supposed to be the primary environmental document anyway It's based on IEC, simulators are readily available, and it's a realistic test with a lot of precidence Hope this is helpful, Best Regards, Mike Hopkins

RE: Laser safety questions

2002-11-13 Thread David Heald
Well, In response to question 1, you may want to try for Class 1M. The new measurement geometries allow many class 3B lasers to be reclassified as 1M. I would assume (although I have no direct experience here) that the visible spectrum lasers would also benefit from the new geometries (BTW,

Re: E-field probe for immunity testing

2002-11-13 Thread Lfresearch
In a message dated 11/13/2002 8:07:17 AM Central Standard Time, gui...@cae.com writes: I have an IFI (think it stands for Instruments For Industry) E-field probe, purchased years ago. It still works fine. It comes with various probe tips (antennas) tuned for low/high V/m, and it has its

RE: E-field probe for immunity testing

2002-11-13 Thread Alexandru Guidea
I have an IFI (think it stands for Instruments For Industry) E-field probe, purchased years ago. It still works fine. It comes with various probe tips (antennas) tuned for low/high V/m, and it has its in-built attenuator. It covers 25 to 500MHz and 1 to 100 V/m top of the scale; works on

Radiated immunity testing above 1 GHz

2002-11-13 Thread richwoods
I need to make a decision on an amplifier for radiated immunity testing in the 1-2 GHz range. The choices appear to be a new solid state amplifier ( I have not located a used one) or a used TWT amp. Is anyone using a TWT amplifier for radiated immunity testing above 1 GHz? Do I need to be

Re: E-field probe for immunity testing

2002-11-13 Thread Lfresearch
HI Richard, Running the risk of being commercial here... You know Schaffner maybe coming out with their own probe? Cheers, Derek.

RE: Laser safety questions

2002-11-13 Thread Richard Hughes
Mark, Regarding question #1 Perhaps your question is based on the misconception that in Europe and elsewhere we use IEC standards directly. This in fact is not the case. For Europe we use ENs agreed by CENELEC and published by national standards bodies, such as BSI. These ENs are frequently

Re: A Different Kind of EMC Problem

2002-11-13 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote (in 0h5h004i9i0...@mtaout06.icomcast.net) about 'A Different Kind of EMC Problem' on Tue, 12 Nov 2002: I am going to guess that the three devices you list as culprits did not have any requirement to meet a conducted emission

Re: E-field probe for immunity testing

2002-11-13 Thread Luke Turnbull
Wandel and Goltermann, and Narda both make field probes. I belive the WG probes are fiber optically linked. The older Narda probes aren't and are not suitable. I'm not sure what their latest products look like. Luke Turnbull richwo...@tycoint.com 11/12/02 05:11pm I am seeking sources

Re: E-field probe for immunity testing

2002-11-13 Thread Véronique Beauvois
Suggestion : Wandel Goltermann Regards, Véronique richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: I am seeking sources for an E-field probe for radiated immunity testing other than Holaday and Amplifier Research. Any suggestions? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International

Re: TC77b Rewrite of 61000-4-2 and 61000-4-4

2002-11-13 Thread Hellflower
Doug - we posted within a half-hour it seems. ;) Actually the designers I worked-with liked the idea that the chips they bought were tested, at least in some way, against the same standard the end-product faced. I guess I would regard it as better than nothing information. Granted, it can

Re: TC77b Rewrite of 61000-4-2 and 61000-4-4

2002-11-13 Thread Douglas C. Smith
HI Eric and the group, The main difference in the ESD test is in how the waveform is specified. The waveform is not being changed, just a better specification and calibration procedure for the simulator. Some ESD simulators may need little or no change while others will need a redesign.

Re: GR-78 Circuit pack ESD test.

2002-11-13 Thread Michael Hopkins
Gary -- I just had the office email me a copy of the simulator description from GR-78 and I'm amazed this is still in use. In the last few years, there has been a lot of new data, and standards for ESD have evolved considerably (BELLCORE GR 1089 is essentially the same as IEC 61000-4-2).

Re: A Different Kind of EMC Problem

2002-11-13 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that don_borow...@selinc.com wrote (in OF685C23FA.C efd2279-on88256c6f.006f0...@selinc.com) about 'A Different Kind of EMC Problem' on Tue, 12 Nov 2002: I have three devices in my house that cause problems with AM radio band reception, but not due to emissions, In each case,

Re: Laser safety questions

2002-11-13 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Gandler, Mark mgand...@ciena.com wrote (in 4fb204c0ca96d54aa7805b3715620bdd13b...@w2ksjexg02.oni.com) about 'Laser safety questions' on Tue, 12 Nov 2002: According to the new revision of IEC 60825-1 (2001-08) , there are following laser products classes: 1, 1M, 2, 2M ,

Re: TC77b Rewrite of 61000-4-2 and 61000-4-4

2002-11-13 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com wrote (in d9223eb959a5d511a98f00508b68c20c12515...@orsmsx108.jf.intel.com) about 'TC77b Rewrite of 61000-4-2 and 61000-4-4' on Tue, 12 Nov 2002: As a 3 year maintenance cycle was imposed on CISPR 24 in September, there won't be any

Re: Directive 97/24/EC

2002-11-13 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Luke Turnbull luke.turnb...@trw.com wrote (in sdd0c5d9@mail2-shrluk.trw.com) about 'Directive 97/24/EC' on Tue, 12 Nov 2002: Does anyone know where I might find a pdf version of this document. The text is public domain, but the version that is on the europa website

Re: EN60950:2000 EN60950-1 last dates of manufacture

2002-11-13 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Peter L. Tarver peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com wrote (in nebbkemlgllmjofmopleoehdebaa.peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com) about 'EN60950:2000 EN60950-1 last dates of manufacture' on Tue, 12 Nov 2002: It would be a good thing (tm) if Subclause 4.5 of the Guide to the