RE: CE without LVD?

2003-06-27 Thread Tyra, John
I also heard the future incarnation of the LVD will start at 0V From: Cereceres, David [mailto:dcerece...@pelco.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 1:27 PM To: 'Rich Nute'; david.gelf...@memotec.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CE without LVD? Mr. Nute,

RE: CE without LVD?

2003-06-27 Thread Cereceres, David
Mr. Nute, In regards to your suggestions below, would it not be wise to take into consideration the future plans of the LVD? My understanding is that the LVD will soon be called the EPSD. Part of this change will encompass what is referred as No Risk / Low Risk equipment. Would it be safe to

Re: Europe - Plugs - Legal requirements to fit

2003-06-27 Thread Nick Williams
John, Sorry for the late response, I've only just noticed that I might have a useful comment to make. If you are not already aware of BS PD CLC R0BT-005-2001 Information concerning plugs for household appliances covered by CLC/TC61 used in the various CENELEC countries you may find it

Re: CE without LVD?

2003-06-27 Thread Ronald R. Wellman
Hello David, Your issue is not new. I have been in a similar situation where the same argument was made for a product powered by SELV. However, EN 60950 addresses other safety issues with products other than electrically caused fire and electrical shock. One needs to also address the

Re: CE without LVD?

2003-06-27 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that David Gelfand david.gelf...@memotec.com wrote (in db3b83f22a576e41983ea8bfa15af2f30577d...@mtlex01.nexxlink.int) about 'CE without LVD?' on Fri, 27 Jun 2003: A ITE product (not ours!) is powered by an CE marked external ac-dc power supply and has only SELV ports. I

SV: CE without LVD?

2003-06-27 Thread am...@westin-emission.no
No, sounds very strange to me. All AC powered equipment (50 VAC AC power 1000V) are with the scope of the LVD. Reference shall be made to LVD and relevant standards (EN60950 sounds good) in the DoC. EMC will come in addition. At lat, affix the CE mark . if it fulfils all relevant EU

RE: CE without LVD?

2003-06-27 Thread Nick Williams
Precisely my understanding as well, and that of the UK DTi if I am not very much mistaken. Regards Nick. At 11:44 -0400 27/6/03, richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: There are two possible situations. 1) An ITE device is sold without a power supply, and the input voltage of the product is rated in

Re: CE without LVD?

2003-06-27 Thread Rich Nute
Hi David: It is being suggested that this product does not need safety testing and does not need to include the reference to EN 60950 and the LVD in the CE DoC, since it is SELV circuits only. The LVD applies to products with voltage ratings between 50 and 1000 V ac and between

Re: Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies

2003-06-27 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that richhug...@aol.com wrote (in 6D8B5870.6AD0B19A .0ba45...@aol.com) about 'Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies' on Fri, 27 Jun 2003: John, What you highlight is one of the differences between traditional ICT equipment and traditional radio equipment. ICT

RE: Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies

2003-06-27 Thread Peter Horvat
Anyone too high up the horse need not reply. My question was simple but fair. If OT posts such as (mis)spelling humour can be discussed in great detail, then surely my post was not so way off. Just wanted a second opinion and clarification, not evidence to be used in a court of law... To all

CE without LVD?

2003-06-27 Thread David Gelfand
Hello Group, A ITE product (not ours!) is powered by an CE marked external ac-dc power supply and has only SELV ports. I believe this product must be tested to EN 60950, and that in the CE Declaration of Conformity it must declare conformity to the LVD via EN 60590. It is being suggested

Re: Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies

2003-06-27 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Reginald Henry rhe...@vicon-cctv.com wrote (in 8FACEFD20E5BD311BA5200E018C14B4401A2C30C@VICONMAIL) about 'Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies' on Fri, 27 Jun 2003: So, if there should be some looking up of information by the questioner, point him or her in the

RE: Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies

2003-06-27 Thread Reginald Henry
Alex, My feeling actually. If we are here to receive and to share information, than those in need should NOT be intimidated by their naiveté. When I used to teach... my first line to my student was ALWAYS, there are NO stupid questions. So, if there should be some looking up of information by

re: Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies

2003-06-27 Thread richhug...@aol.com
John, What you highlight is one of the differences between traditional ICT equipment and traditional radio equipment. ICT equipment tends to use switch mode power supplies where any inter-winding screen is connected to the neutral for EMC purposes. From what you say, radio equipment tends to

re: Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies

2003-06-27 Thread richhug...@aol.com
John, What you highlight is one of the differences between traditional ICT equipment and traditional radio equipment. ICT equipment tends to use switch mode power supplies where any inter-winding screen is connected to the neutral for EMC purposes. From what you say, radio equipment tends to

RE: GSM in China

2003-06-27 Thread Chris Baird
Daniel, We have successfully been involved in the placement of GSM products in the Chinese and other global markets. We can advise on the approval routes, CCC Marking, testing requirements, whether in-country test manufacture is required in full and/or part, etc... For further information,

GSM in China

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Re: Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies

2003-06-27 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that richhug...@aol.com wrote (in 44E75E95.7A170092 .0ba45...@aol.com) about 'Dielectric withstand voltage for power supplies' on Thu, 26 Jun 2003: [R_Hughes ] Technically incorrect: it is also possible to have a design where the secondary circuit is floating from earth and

Re: Fuel cell product and EMC

2003-06-27 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Wani, Vijay (V) vw...@dow.com wrote (in 2f39688ca531604abd535e8f857d54d32bb...@usmdlmdowm051.dow.com) about 'Fuel cell product and EMC' on Thu, 26 Jun 2003: is there any special EMC related requirement specific to fuel cell products? Not yet! Is there anything special

Fuel cell product and EMC

2003-06-27 Thread Wani, Vijay (V)
Hello Group: is there any special EMC related requirement specific to fuel cell products? thank you in advance. vijay wani Dow Chemical This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: