RE: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins Mandatory from 3 Apr 05

2005-01-20 Thread Kevin Richardson
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi Scott, I believe most of the large cordset suppliers can supply. See attached for USA suppliers. Also see attached for details about how pins are insulated and still conduct etc. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solut

Re: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins Mandatory from 3 Apr 05

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Scott: > Can you describe how to insulate the live pins and still > have them conduct electricity? Check out the British plug, BS 1363. And the Euro 2-wire plug, CEE 7/16. Both have insulating sleeves between the end of the prong and the plug body. This prevents access to the live part

Re: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins Mandatory from 3 Apr 05

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Kevin, Can you tell us more? Are there any vendors that make such plugs (example?). Can you describe how to insulate the live pins and still have them conduct electricity? Got me curious. Best Regards, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net Kevin Richardson wrote: >I thought this information may be

RE: Dynamic overload of copper traces

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Here is the (I^2)t for a 10 mil wide, 1 oz copper trace: 1.7 (A^2)s. See if your 1 amp fuse has a lower (I^2)t rating. The trace was calculated for a temperature rise of 110'C. So it won't open but will run up to the glass transition temperature of FR-4. The effect of the change in resistance with

RE: Dynamic overload of copper traces

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Dan, A safe way to go is to size the trace so that it does not exceed 170'C at the highest PCB operating temperature. Then, if the RMS current sets just short of opening the fuse, the trace and the FR-4 will survive. A link to an online PCB trace calculator: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral

Re: Dynamic overload of copper traces

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Dan, What type of dynamic overload conditions are you intending the fuse to protect the trace aside from just the short? And, will the fuse react quickly enough to protect the trace against a transient surge event? Or, is the trace not expected to be subject to transient surges? Best regards, Ro

Re: Dynamic overload of copper traces

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Dan: > Does anyone know of a reference that shows the characteristics of PCB > traces in overload conditions? I have a design that uses a fuse to > protect 1 oz copper traces on a PCB and I am looking for a reference > that will essentially give me the fusing characteristics of differ

Re: Dynamic overload of copper traces

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
In article <28e93c6a59d1c04aaa5e6df106dce628d40...@pysmsx401.amr.corp.in tel.com>, Roman, Dan writes >Does anyone know of a reference that shows the characteristics of PCB >traces in overload conditions? I have a design that uses a fuse to >protect 1 oz copper traces on a PCB and I am looking for

Re: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Paolo: > The equipment has a steady-state input current that oscillates between 6 amps > and 16 amps, with a period of about 1s. > The standard (par. 7) states that a true-rms current detector (i.e a thermal > effect detector) should be used, I don't have it and I don't know what it >

NEBS impact on lead free solder

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
hello, Does anyone in the group have any expertise or knowledge on what tests would be required of a telecommunications switch that has GR 63 and GR 1089 approvals, and has now gone thru the full WEEE ( Lead Free ) transformation. thnak you, Richard, From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mail

Dynamic overload of copper traces

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Does anyone know of a reference that shows the characteristics of PCB traces in overload conditions? I have a design that uses a fuse to protect 1 oz copper traces on a PCB and I am looking for a reference that will essentially give me the fusing characteristics of different trace sizes so that I

RE: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Paolo, You appear to have a device that cycles between a full load current of 16 A and an unloaded current of 6 A. You don't blend these two measurements together with an RMS current meter. Instead, you can look at this as having a no-load rms current draw of 6 A, and a full-load rms current dr

Re: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article , Brian O'Connell writes >"EQUIPMENT and SYSTEMS with a RATED input current up to and including 16 >A per phase and that are intended to be connected to the PUBLIC MAINS >NETWORK shall comply with the requirements of IEC 61000-3-3. If an >EQUIPMENT or SYSTEM has both long-time and momen

Re: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article , drcuthb...@micron.com writes >I agree with John's reasoning. How does this medical device do on the >flicker test? I thought it more charitable not to ask. EN 61000-3-3 is the applicable standard. (;-) It might be helpful to declare the current as 16.5 A and then apply EN 61000-3-11

RE: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Good People It is important to specify the peak input current and the duty cycle in the installation instructions, and on the rating label. The agency report(s) and the CBTR should explicitly defined these ratings and also clearly indicate the that "least favorable" input conditions were empirical

RE: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
I agree with John's reasoning. How does this medical device do on the flicker test? Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:27 AM To: emc-p...@iee

Re: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article <20050120144901.m43...@elen.it>, P. Peruzzi writes >I have to declare the rated input current of a medical device, according >to IEC 60601-1. The equipment has a steady-state input current that >oscillates between 6 amps and 16 amps, with a period of about 1s. The >standard (par. 7) sta

RE: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Well, I could perform an rms measurement with an oscilloscope, but my doubt concern the time window. As the device can work in different conditions, the oscillation period can be much more longer than a second (although the longer the period, the lower the peak current). The standard doesn't say an

RE: ETS 300 683:1997

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi group, This list of Harmonised standard was once established when the RTTE came into force and listed all the standards that could be used at that time. All standards from this very first version are still in the list although some are already superseded by others now. ETS 300683 is thus not th

Re: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
The intent of the requirement is to allow the installer to correctly size the branch circuit supplying the equipment. A True RMS reading over 1 second maybe be good enough for determining the thermal effects on the branch circuit wiring. But this could also lead to unsatisfactory performance for yo

RE: [Retrieved]Re: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins M andatory from 3 Apr 05

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Ron, According to the Letter that we received from the OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR, (Australian - Electrical Regulatory Authority), the NEW REQUIREMENT is imposed by the DATE OF ENFORCEMENT of the LATEST PUBLICATION of the AS/NZS3112:2000 Edition; that DATE is April 03, 2005. The

RE: ETS 300 683:1997

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Paolo, ETS 300 683 still appears in the web OJ :-http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/ ewapproach/standardization/harmstds/reflist/radiotte.html (2nd from bottom). I think it must be a mistake?? Regards, Dave C. From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] O

RE: power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Paolo, Are you able to view the current waveform with an oscilloscope? If you are able to, you can perform an RMS calculation or use the RMS feature if the oscilloscope has one. I can send you the procedure. Does IEC 60601-1 have an integration time for the RMS measurement? If not, it seems that

R: ETS 300 683:1997

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
I dont'understand your question. The list of HS reports that EN 301 489 replace ETS 300 683 and the expiry date is 31.10.2003. ETS 300 683 is not listed in teh last version of R&TTE HS (4/2004) _ Paolo Gemma Siemens Mobile Communications S.p.A. S

power input measurement

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Dear group, I have to declare the rated input current of a medical device, according to IEC 60601-1. The equipment has a steady-state input current that oscillates between 6 amps and 16 amps, with a period of about 1s. The standard (par. 7) states that a true-rms current detector (i.e a thermal eff

ETS 300 683:1997

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
According to the harmonized standards under the R&TTE Directive, ETS 300 683:1997 was superseded by EN 301 489-03 V1.3.1 on 31 October 2003. However, it appears, that ETS 300 683:1997 is still a valid standard under the R&TTE Directive. Does anyone know why? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 7

Re: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins Mandatory from 3 Apr 05

2005-01-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
I just received advice from the Victorian approvals office, stating that they will allow equipment that has already been supplied to retailers prior to 3 April 2005 to be sold up until 3 April 2006. This is a little different from the other states. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd