In message
rosoft.com>, dated Sat, 18 Aug 2012, Ted Eckert
writes:
First, none of them will stand behind a customer in court. If you have
an NRTL Listed system, and it fails, it is fully your responsibility.
So the NRTLs have power without responsibility.
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In message <1284c8ec9fbe4d24b6397106a3caa...@tamuracorp.com>, dated Sat,
18 Aug 2012, Brian Oconnell writes:
Note that the U.S. OSHA has (figuratively) declared war on the
self-declaration process, and has specifically published stuff saying
that the 'CE' does not indicate the any specific sa
Disclaimer: I'm not arguing for one system or another. I'm only trying to
provide a bit more background for the differences in the two systems based on
personal experience. I've worked with both systems for a while, and I've had my
share of problems with NRTLs. I also recognize that my opinions
Nothing I say necessarily reflects the policy of my employer.
I shall endeavor to be more precise, or go home and bother other people. The
CFR is Administrative Law, and is has been reinforced as such by several
SCOTUS rulings, where the 'informed discretion' of agencies is the basis to
make regul
In message <502fb647.26423.642b...@ptarver.ieee.org>, dated Sat, 18 Aug
2012, Peter Tarver writes:
100% to 400% more often. How often would give you confidence?
Actually it's 100% to 300%, but never mind. It's not about confidence,
it's whether another approach is better.
As a former NRT
In message <20120818095356.f4...@shelley.shelltown.net>, dated Sat, 18
Aug 2012, Arthur Michael writes:
The "Law of Economics" is loud and clear; it mandates electical product
safety compliance for the buyer's offerings.
I think the question is 'Which is the best way to frame the 'law' - the
Hello John et al,
The English language while blasted by many as difficult, is a marvel in
itself. I did not need to look up the invented word "Provoquim" or
"Provoquium" in any dictionary. It's meaning was obvious at first glance.
Very clever of you, John Pearson!
What do you think of my inv
Date sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:56:30 +0100
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> In message
> qSKmE4BAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>, dated Sat, 18 Aug 2012, John Allen
> writes:
>
> >NRTLs inspect from 2 to 4 times a year, often on an unannounced basis,
> >and that does keep manuf
29CFR1910 applies only to the EMPLOYER and there is no requirement for OSHA
purposes for a manufacturer to have their product certified by an NRTL before
marketing it or selling it. The employee using the product however has the
burden of demonstrating that the product meets the definition of "a
In message <037701cd7d34$3926d4f0$ab747ed0$@mcauley>, dated Sat, 18 Aug
2012, John McAuley writes:
BTW, has a new word, ?Provoqium?, been invented? I can?t find it in any
dictionary. Comes up as a variation of provoke.
The spelling is 'unorfadox'! Provoquium would be legitimate classical
La
Just ensure the updated mandatory Essential Requirements. They are:-
CE Marking
LVD
EMC
ErP
RoHS Recast
WEEE Recast
Regards,
Scott
On 17/8/12 11:31 PM, "John Cotman" wrote:
> The CE marking process includes mandatory Essential Requirements, (written
> into law), which change infrequently, a
In my view the European system is much more flexible for manufacturers and
free from bureaucracy in its most basic form. I also find the NRTLs
reasonably accessible.
The most inaccessible is the IECEE CB scheme which does not allow testing at
independent labs under any of the frameworks. The s
John
Whilst I accept the validity of some of the argument below, I have to say
that whilst - particularly for the "smaller" manufacturers - the concept of
actively looking for issues with existing products and then correcting them,
it can often be more a matter (and particularly in the current bus
In message
qSKmE4BAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>, dated Sat, 18 Aug 2012, John Allen
writes:
NRTLs inspect from 2 to 4 times a year, often on an unannounced basis,
and that does keep manufacturers ?on their toes?
I wouldn't call that 'far' more frequent, and that sort of control can
be deadly
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