Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-28 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Sun, 28 Apr 2013, Pat Lawler writes: Do these names reference the same basic design, or are they different animals?  Which ones are used for which type of RF immunity test? IEC 61000-4-21 (114 pages) contains a great deal of information on this technique. A note to the d

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-28 Thread Ken Javor
Not obvious to me that the original question was asking for a recommendation; only a definition. That being said, the below seems to be somewhat at odds with MIL-STD-461 paddle position requirements. Table VIII in that standard requires the following number of paddle positions as a function of fre

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-28 Thread Ed Price
I never studied the statistics of what you describe, but I recall some numbers that I had for a large (50’ long x 20’ wide x 12’ high) completely bare (no anechoic material and not even a test bench) shielded chamber. I had three “stirrers”; a large 4’ x 8’ flat panel rotating about 6 RPM, a med

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-28 Thread Bill Owsley
The debate amongst the proponents that I heard concerned the concept or idea of matching, or not , test program cycle time with paddle cycle time.  The tuned folks argued that the paddle should stop at each step for a program cycle time, then there was the debate over how big is each step.  At h

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-28 Thread Ed Price
Pat: It might just be the name you like best depends on your experience. Considering that most chambers depend on rotating or oscillating conductive mechanical structures, you might think of the paddles acting like big blades in a mixer or stirrer. A waveguide guy might be thinking more in term

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-28 Thread Ken Javor
One can mode-stir or mode-tune a reverb chamber. Mode-stirring is continuous ­ the paddle never ceases movement ­ and mode tuning utilizes a stepping movement, holding each mode for a specific time period to allow assessment of susceptibility. Can¹t speak for others, but MIL-STD-461 only allows mo

[PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-28 Thread Pat Lawler
All, Over the years, I've come across pictures of test chambers with descriptions such as mode-stirred, mode-turned, and reverberation. They seem to look similar, with metal walls and rotating metal paddles. Do these names reference the same basic design, or are they different animals? Which on