Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Dear Rich, Thank you. So in reality no way to avoid abnormal testing, since on transformer we always measure >42,4Vpk. Best regards, Bostjan From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:52 AM To: Boštjan Glavič; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES]

Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Grounded SELV is PELV in EN 60204-1. -Dave -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC In message , dated Wed, 14 Jan 2015, Brian Oconnell wri

Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread Richard Nute
Dear Boštjan: a) If internal distances input to output comply with functional insulation only, fault condition tests need to be performed on functional insulation (including transformer) in order to be sure that output remains SELV. In addition, transformer needs to pass electri

Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Wed, 14 Jan 2015, =?iso-8859-2?Q?Bo=B9tjan_Glavi=E8?= writes: I was talking about component level converter that is usually mounted to PCB. No plug provided. Output is SELV. I was asking how to evaluate internal distances input to output. I believe there is no real harmo

Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message .com>, dated Wed, 14 Jan 2015, Brian Oconnell writes: Other than BS7671/IEC60364, what standards or codes use 'FELV' and what is intended end-use? I've never done a search. The issue with floating SELV is that it could become live but remain undetected until someone touches it.

Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Dear all, Thank you for your feedbacks. I was talking about component level converter that is usually mounted to PCB. No plug provided. Output is SELV. I was asking how to evaluate internal distances input to output. I believe there is no real harmonization between testing laboratories on this

Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread Brian Oconnell
Other than BS7671/IEC60364, what standards or codes use 'FELV' and what is intended end-use? Have never seen in NFPA70, but remember something in IEC60364 that restricts plug configurations. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, J

Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message .com>, dated Wed, 14 Jan 2015, Brian Oconnell writes: if the input and/or output referenced to reliable ground bond. Note that only(?) 60950-1 allows SELV to be grounded. Other standards require it to float, and call the grounded kind FELV (Functional...). -- OOO - Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] safety distances in DC/DC

2015-01-14 Thread Brian Oconnell
a. Depends on measured WV of the converter. Fault tests non sequitur for functional insulation as basis for protection from shock or prevention of fire. Fault tests are indicated only to demonstrate SELV during fault. By definition, FI does not provide any level of protection. Di-electric withst