Re: [PSES] PCB via holes - radiated emission

2015-08-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
No , you will probably not notice any difference; my experience says 0.5 dB. Unless the short-circuits impacted the functionality in such a way that emission dropped also ! Gert Gremmen From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Wednesday 19 August 2015 11:55 To:

Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum

2015-08-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Free movement of goods throughout the EU. ;) Gert Gremmen -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday 19 August 2015 15:08 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum In message

[PSES] SV: [PSES] PCB via holes - radiated emission

2015-08-19 Thread Amund Westin
Thanks Gert, The test was carried out on an error free PCB. The shorts came up on the next PCB production batch. #Amund Fra: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sendt: 19. august 2015 14:07 Til: Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no;

Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum

2015-08-19 Thread Charlie Blackham
John (P) Back in the office this afternoon... Interpretation on Tags: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/documents/interpretation_en.htm#h2-36 there's a TUV QAhttp://www.tuv-sud.co.uk/uploads/images/1402569658987086360504/red-webinar-questions-and-answers.pdf on the RED,,

Re: [PSES] Friday night conundrum

2015-08-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 7a35c33bdc1b47e78c2167cf7c4a4...@sehste15d1be4.hs20.net, dated Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com writes: A: assume you mean devices similar to those used for RFID; readers (including terminals, interrogators) and transponders (including tags,

[PSES] CE DoI and DoC in one document.

2015-08-19 Thread Crane, Lauren
A Declaration of Incorporation is only applicable to the Machinery Directive. All other CE Marking directives applicable to a product must have a Declaration of Conformity. I have seen some all in one documents that are titled as Declarations of Incorporation but have compliance declarations

Re: [PSES] PCB via holes - radiated emission

2015-08-19 Thread Ravinder Ajmani
Hi Amund, One impact of increasing the via clearance (increasing the anti-pad size) is that the signals that are routed too close to the via may not have adequate ground return. This can have Signal Integrity as well as EMI implications. I would go through the layout to check such signals,

Re: [PSES] CE DoI and DoC in one document.

2015-08-19 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
I write a single Declaration of Incorporation and include all applicable directives, Machinery, EMC, RoHS, etc. The directives want all of the declarations to be together but if memory serves they also allow individual declarations to be bundled so you could also have a DoI bundled with a DoC.

[PSES] JDQ and SAE automotive test

2015-08-19 Thread David
Does anyone have experience with John Deere's JDQ 53.3 or JDQ 202? I'm looking at the magnetic field collapse transient, and don't see a good way to do it. The damping factor is incredibly low - it is a 450 V pulse at 1 MHz, that has only dropped to 200 V after 10 us. We've got a CS116

Re: [PSES] CE DoI and DoC in one document.

2015-08-19 Thread Douglas Powell
All,I have seen two DoC with one shipment, one for the EMC portion and one for the LVD. When‎ I asked why, the answer was for administrative purposes. Apparently it was easier for the company to manage changing

[PSES] EN 61000-3-3:2013

2015-08-19 Thread Jim Hulbert
EN 61000-3-3:2008 is superseded by EN 61000-3-3:2013. What is the likelihood a product that passes the 2008 version with wide margin would also pass the 2013 version? Are the differences that great? I'm ordering the 2013 version to review for myself but would like to know how others are

[PSES] Relay Circuits

2015-08-19 Thread Justin Robinson
I am currently evaluating a temperature control meter being powered by 120 Vac MAINs to 61010-1 2010 edition. Would a 3A 250 Vac relay output be classified as MAINs or secondary circuit? If one looks at definitions, MAINs circuits purpose is to power the equipment and the relay circuit is not

Re: [PSES] EN 61000-3-3:2013

2015-08-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 7B9D892F88F070469771832D78B3086E2CE57B05@013-BR1MPN1-013.MGDPBI.global.p vt, dated Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Jim Hulbert jim.hulb...@pb.com writes: EN 61000-3-3:2008 is superseded by EN 61000-3-3:2013.   What is the likelihood a product that passes the 2008 version with wide margin would

[PSES] Relay Circuits

2015-08-19 Thread Justin Robinson
I am currently evaluating a temperature control meter being powered by 120 Vac MAINs to 61010-1 2010 edition. Would a 3A 250 Vac relay output be classified as MAINs or secondary circuit? If one looks at definitions, MAINs circuits purpose is to power the equipment and the relay circuit is not

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] PCB via holes - radiated emission

2015-08-19 Thread Grasso, Charles
Warning : Frivolous comment below: Of course a shorted pcb will have a wonderful emissions profile! You were Warned!! Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications (w) 303-706-5467 (c) 303-204-2974 (t) 3032042...@vtext.com (e) charles.gra...@echostar.com (e2)

Re: [PSES] PCB via holes - radiated emission

2015-08-19 Thread Doug Smith
Hi Chas and the group, I have noticed in my measurements that sometimes a signal via will casuse significant radiated emissions not from the via itself but from voltage generated between the planes. I have seen this effect at much lower frequencies than via effects normally, at the resonant

[PSES] 2014/35/EU Requirement for Postal Address

2015-08-19 Thread Kevin . McCandless
Hello Experts, I am looking for some clarification/understanding of the new postal address requirement in the LVD 2014/35/EU. Article 6 section 6 states: Manufacturers shall indicate on the electrical equipment their name, registered trade name or registered trade mark and the postal address

Re: [PSES] PCB via holes - radiated emission

2015-08-19 Thread Larry
Amund, Regarding your circuit board failures, were they due to Conductive Anodic Filament (CAF) Formation from either the spacing of via holes or poorly drilled holes (dull drill bits)? We may be having the same issue and increasing the spacing from the drill hole to the inner layer copper as

Re: [PSES] PCB via holes - radiated emission

2015-08-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 01d0da65$2272df10$67589d30$@westin-emission.no, dated Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes: I can hardly see that this change will cause any major impact on the radiated emission tests. Do a 'pre-compliance' test and if there is no problem, document

[PSES] PCB via holes - radiated emission

2015-08-19 Thread Amund Westin
Have previously done some radiated emission tests on a multi-layer PCB with good results. Now, all the via holes will change in the next layout revision. That's because the original PCB had a lot of short-circuits between via holes and inner layers, due to inaccurate process by the PCB

Re: [PSES] EMC Benign devices (was:RE: [PSES] Friday night conundrum)

2015-08-19 Thread Ted Eckert
Hi RF fields can do a lot of interesting things. A few years ago, I jogged up to the top of a hill near my house where there are a number of broadcast antennae and other equipment. My MP3 player started to change songs and do strange things. I suspect I was doing some impromptu radiated

Re: [PSES] EMC Benign devices (was:RE: [PSES] Friday night conundrum)

2015-08-19 Thread CR
On 8/17/2015 8:14 PM, Ted Eckert wrote: Article 2, Section 2 (d) exempts the following. Equipment the inherent nature of the physical characteristics of which is such that: (i) it is incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions which exceed a level allowing radio and