Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Similar situation exists with the Machinery Directive. The MD guideline says not to declare the LVD on the DoC but the directive requires meeting LVD technical requirements. There is no exclusion in the LVD for machinery either. I don’t think anyone argues that the directive that is more

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread John Woodgate
There is a specific EC document on this subject. Unfortunately, as often happens, the document has been moved. So the link in the Google search returns 404 – Not found. However if you just search for: Application of Directives 2014/53/EU, 2014/35/EU and 2014/30/EU and click on the ‘hit’

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread Piotr Galka
Hi Mike, Thanks for short and long answer :) Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it is _only_ guide. With EMCD everything is clear - in EMCD RED (R) devices are clearly excluded from EMCD scope. There is no such exclusion in LVD. Reading RED I'm not sure how

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread Piotr Galka
Hi Michael, Thanks, but that means my understanding was not correct :( Regards, Piotr W dniu 2017-08-02 o 16:10, Michael Derby pisze: Hi Piotr, You would not have a situation where the RED and the LVD both apply to a product. Product safety for radio devices (transmitter, receiver,

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
This is also covered in the Guide to the Radio Equipment Directive 2014/53/EU http://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/23321 -Dave -Original Message- From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 10:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re:

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread Mike Sherman
Short answer: no. Long answer: look at sections 9.5 and 11 of the "RED Guide," the Guide to the Radio Equipment Directive 2014/53/EU dated 19 May 2017. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Piotr Galka" To: "EMC-PSTC"

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread Michael Derby
Hi Piotr, You would not have a situation where the RED and the LVD both apply to a product. Product safety for radio devices (transmitter, receiver, transceiver) is covered by Article 3.1a of the RED. So, you assess safety "in a similar way as the LVD", but you do not actually apply the LV

[PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread Piotr Galka
Dear list members, I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not. RED says: 1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive. 3,1. Radio equipment shall be

Re: [PSES] EMI Software [General Use]

2017-08-02 Thread Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)
Hi all, I have used various versions of Emission Software including HP, Emtest, EMCHire, Labview, Emiscan, Qinetiq own software, and R EMC32. Of these if you use R EMI receivers then the EMC32 is probably the best. If you have other types of receivers than you should use the best for that