Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread Balmukund Vyas
Thanks for your comments. The definitions of SEL and PELV in IEC 62052-31 are as below. Do you find it different? Regards B M Vyas SELV system An electrical system in which the voltage cannot exceed ELV: · under normal conditions; and · under single-fault conditions, including earth

[PSES] Antenna choice for susceptibility in a reverb chamber

2018-03-13 Thread Schaefer, David
Any reverb susceptibility experts able to provide guidance on antenna selection? We've got a choice of shiny new ETS 3117s, or older antennas similar to the 3105. I'd prefer to use the 3117s for radiated emissions in a FAR, not tie them up here. Does antenna choice really matter in reverb? As

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread John Woodgate
I suspect that the SELV circuits of an electricity meter never leave the enclosure, so SELV is OK, but PELV would still be equally safe or better, even if a very low probability open-circuit earth occurred. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread Ted Eckert
Part of the reason why two levels of protection are required is because of what happens if one level fails. If the protective earth bonding connection fails, and the exposed metal is no longer earthed, the product will typically continue to operate normally. There is no indication to the user

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread John Woodgate
I agree:  SELV as a low-voltage earth-free supply is not actually a safe concept. It's OK for short connections in the same space, because the probability of 'power cross' is extremely remote. But if SELV is extended into several spaces, including, for example, a void, the chance of

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread Richard Nute
Dear Mr. Vyas: I suggest you review the definitions for SELV and PELV in IEC 62052. These definitions are not the same throughout IEC standards. (I don’t have IEC 62052.) In some standards, SELV is isolated from protective earth, and PELV is connected to protective earth. If these

Re: [PSES] Use of Notified Body number under RED

2018-03-13 Thread Michael Derby
HI Amund, It's new under the RED. Under the R any involvement of the Notified Body meant that the number appeared on the label (and packaging, and user manual) Now, with the RED, it's only for this specific case. Thanks, Michael. -Original Message- From: Amund Westin

[PSES] Signal Integrity Electrical Engineer Position

2018-03-13 Thread Don MacArthur
Forwarding this to those in the group who may be interested. Please contact Erin directly. >From Erin: I am recruiting for a Signal Integrity Electrical Engineer to join our team in Greensboro, NC. We are looking for someone with a background in signal integrity. CommScope is a 5

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread Scott Aldous
Hi Vyas, I'm not familiar with this standard, but the general principle is that 2 levels of protection are required to protect operators from hazards. In the case of the "protective earthed accessible part", I imagine the standard assumes that a single fault could compromise the protective

Re: [PSES] Use of Notified Body number under RED

2018-03-13 Thread Amund Westin
Thanks all! Is this "only NB number under Annex IV Module H" regime new for RED, or was it the same under RTTE? Br. Amund On 2018-03-13 11:23, Michael Derby wrote: Hello Amund, Correct. If you apply to a Notified Body under Annex III (Module B) and get an EU-Type Examination

[PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread Balmukund Vyas
Dear All, IEC 62052-31 is standard for product safety requirements for electricity metering equipment. It has a table 20 (given below) which details out insulation requirements between various types of circuits. My question is, why Basic insulation is required between SELV circuit and

Re: [PSES] Use of Notified Body number under RED

2018-03-13 Thread Charlie Blackham
Amund Correct - it is ONLY permitted if you follow Annex IV and must not be affixed otherwise. The NB number and EU-Type examination certificate number should of course be referenced on the DoC Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web:

Re: [PSES] Use of Notified Body number under RED

2018-03-13 Thread Michael Derby
Hello Amund, Correct. If you apply to a Notified Body under Annex III (Module B) and get an EU-Type Examination Certificate, you do not put their Notified Body number on the product. (It would give the false impression that you had used Annex IV (Module H). If you apply to a Notified Body

[PSES] Use of Notified Body number under RED

2018-03-13 Thread Amund Westin
As I can see from RED 2014/53/EU (article 20.3) and RED Guide (May 2017, chapter 2.6.f), it's only allowed to affix the Notified Body number on the radio product, if Annex IV (Module H) have been applied. I assume that consulting a Notified Body under Annex III (Module B) and get an EU-Type