Hi Dan, I assume the 301 489 standards are not listed under RED because they are EMC standards, though specifically for radio equipment. Actually, EN 301 489-1 V1.9.2 is listed in the OJEU under the EMC Directive. Also EN 62479 that I referenced is not listed under the RED, but under LVD, as it is a safety standard. EN 301 489-17 V2.1.1 has been published in 2009, i.e. years before the release of RED 2014/53/EU, and does not contain an annex like Annex A of V3.2.4 that establishes the relationship between the standard and the essential requirements of RED 2014/53/EU. Consequently, I advise to reference the current version 3.2.4. Generally, it is a problem in the last years that references of standards in the OJEU lag significantly behind the latest version of the standard. This is mainly due to delays caused by the HAS review system that the EU commission has installed after the “James Elliot” and “Global Garden” rulings by European Courts (cf. Impact of EU Case Law on Standard Harmonization (johner-institute.com)<https://www.johner-institute.com/articles/regulatory-affairs/and-more/james-elliott-and-global-garden-impact-of-eu-case-law-on-standard-harmonization/>). Therefore, I generally recommend to use the latest version of a harmonised standard, even if it is not listed in the OJEU, unless the application of a OJEU listed standard is mandatory (as required in RED article 17(3), cf. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Flegal-content%2FEN%2FTXT%2FHTML%2F%3Furi%3DCELEX%3A32014L0053%26from%3DEN%23d1e1446-62-1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dH25J88vq5V8OEJT3qByOzHefMG96%2FBrbCZNLrYP2ro%3D&reserved=0>). Kind regards, Bernd
Von: Dan Roman <00000d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2022 15:52 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: Re: [PSES] AW: Short Range Device RED standard? Hi Dürrer, I agree with your list, and it is what I have been using. I have a related question and that is why aren’t the 301 489 standards published in the list of harmonised standards in the Official Journal for Directive 2014/53/EU? 300 328 is in the list. 300 440 is there, but incomplete for the purposes of demonstrating conformity for this category of equipment. And since 301 489-17 is not in the OJ, would the previous version 2.1.1 still be acceptable as well as the version you cite, 3.2.4? The list of standards you provide seems to be the prevailing ones that manufactures and test labs are using. Odd that 489-1 and 489-17 are not in the OJ. This has bothered me for a while. I never know when Turkish customs will look at my DoC and reject the product for this reason, they are difficult! Am I missing something? Dan From: Dürrer Bernd [mailto:bernd.duer...@wilo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 2:50 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] AW: Short Range Device RED standard? Hi Ryan, For the radio module that you describe, the following standards are applicable: ETSI EN 300 328 V2.2.2 (https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/300300_300399/300328/02.02.02_60/en_300328v020202p.pdf<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_en%2F300300_300399%2F300328%2F02.02.02_60%2Fen_300328v020202p.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056221030%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ehWs8BWvzDrkwb1ixbRyiBnSmxRjWEfuNl38icTEbhA%3D&reserved=0>) is the applicable standard listed in the OJEU for data transmission equipment operating in the 2.4 GHz band to demonstrate compliance with the essential requirements of RED article 3.2 (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Flegal-content%2FEN%2FTXT%2FHTML%2F%3Furi%3DCELEX%3A32014L0053%26from%3DEN%23d1e975-62-1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8J5laVIDphNnZaRnL5OV%2B8ckgZnyXgS5GIiSTo%2BcXjQ%3D&reserved=0>), as required in RED article 17(3) (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Flegal-content%2FEN%2FTXT%2FHTML%2F%3Furi%3DCELEX%3A32014L0053%26from%3DEN%23d1e1446-62-1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dH25J88vq5V8OEJT3qByOzHefMG96%2FBrbCZNLrYP2ro%3D&reserved=0>), cf. Annex A of this standard. ETSI EN 301 489-17 V3.2.4 (https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301400_301499/30148917/03.02.04_60/en_30148917v030204p.pdf<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_en%2F301400_301499%2F30148917%2F03.02.04_60%2Fen_30148917v030204p.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dmnWQB5oLglwYBp29o3%2FNUUPFl%2FtTBZk9S73lKVy7T4%3D&reserved=0>) together with its part 1 ETSI EN 301 489-1 V2.2.3 (https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301400_301499/30148901/02.02.03_60/en_30148901v020203p.pdf<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_en%2F301400_301499%2F30148901%2F02.02.03_60%2Fen_30148901v020203p.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=E%2FwN9ojfC2dd2dfPVFo6IIcNotUdDxHmqjcQznQuebc%3D&reserved=0>) is the applicable standard for such equipment to demonstrate compliance with the essential requirements of RED article 3.1(b) for EMC (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Flegal-content%2FEN%2FTXT%2FHTML%2F%3Furi%3DCELEX%3A32014L0053%26from%3DEN%23d1e975-62-1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8J5laVIDphNnZaRnL5OV%2B8ckgZnyXgS5GIiSTo%2BcXjQ%3D&reserved=0>), as required in RED article 17(2) (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Flegal-content%2FEN%2FTXT%2FHTML%2F%3Furi%3DCELEX%3A32014L0053%26from%3DEN%23d1e1446-62-1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dH25J88vq5V8OEJT3qByOzHefMG96%2FBrbCZNLrYP2ro%3D&reserved=0>), cf. Annex A of these standards. EN 62479 (https://standards.cencenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=CENELEC:110:::::FSP_PROJECT,FSP_ORG_ID:57797,1258483&cs=1CEFF57465523E884A7F4B2BEF603E478<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstandards.cencenelec.eu%2Fdyn%2Fwww%2Ff%3Fp%3DCENELEC%3A110%3A%3A%3A%3A%3AFSP_PROJECT%2CFSP_ORG_ID%3A57797%2C1258483%26cs%3D1CEFF57465523E884A7F4B2BEF603E478&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BwphWjjhUh00NGi80hdW6NlRXbCloI7VQNSbsnMOS6k%3D&reserved=0>) is applicable to demonstrate compliance with the essential requirements of RED article 3.1(a) for safety (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Flegal-content%2FEN%2FTXT%2FHTML%2F%3Furi%3DCELEX%3A32014L0053%26from%3DEN%23d1e975-62-1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8J5laVIDphNnZaRnL5OV%2B8ckgZnyXgS5GIiSTo%2BcXjQ%3D&reserved=0>), as required in RED article 17(2) (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Flegal-content%2FEN%2FTXT%2FHTML%2F%3Furi%3DCELEX%3A32014L0053%26from%3DEN%23d1e1446-62-1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccfc2600216ce4c7f526608da291e53ff%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637867508056377267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dH25J88vq5V8OEJT3qByOzHefMG96%2FBrbCZNLrYP2ro%3D&reserved=0>). Depending on the type of product, further safety standards will be applicable. Kind regards, Bernd Von: Ryan Jazz <rjayasin...@yamahaguitargroup.com<mailto:rjayasin...@yamahaguitargroup.com>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2022 01:19 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Betreff: [PSES] Short Range Device RED standard? Sie erhalten nicht oft eine E-Mail von rjayasin...@yamahaguitargroup.com<mailto:rjayasin...@yamahaguitargroup.com>. Erfahren Sie, warum dies wichtig ist<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> Dear Members, We have a product being developed which will use a pre-approved radio which has WiFi and Bluetooth. The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power I am trying to determine to what RED standard(s) I must test the final product. I posed this question to a local Southern California lab, and I was told they were not allowed to answer as the manufacturer has to make that determination. We have had other similar SRD products tested by various labs, before my time, and some of them were tested to EN 300-440 and others to EN 301-489. I have looked at this new radio’s FCC Grant and it doesn’t say what the end-user must do-and same with the radio manufacturer, who cannot answer. I even looked into the ERC Recommendation 70-03 and also the ETSI search tool and could not find a definitive answer. The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power. Any advise you can give me on will be much appreciated. Ryan Jayasinghe Regulatory Compliance Engineer rjayasin...@line6.com<mailto:rjayasin...@line6.com> "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley LINE6 26580 Agoura Road Calabasas CA 91302 818.575.3711 line6.com ampeg.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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