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Not quite so long ago as high voltage vacuum tubes, I am aware of one
incident where a small "fire" (more accurately, smoke escaped and the
enclos
tardant and possibly a high percentage of inorganic fill
material (e.g., glass fibers, etc.).
Peter Tarver
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anecdote that an oxygen-limiting enclosure can slow (time-limit)
or suppress the fire.
Best regards,
Rich
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Just a small addendum: while indeed GR-1089
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Just a small addendum: while indeed GR-1089 has all kind of immunity
requirements, it is GR-63 that has the non-electrical requirements, one of
which is the flame spread testin
Just a small addendum: while indeed GR-1089 has all kind of immunity
requirements, it is GR-63 that has the non-electrical requirements, one of
which is the flame spread testing.
Having witnessed a few of those passing or failing tests, the various RBOCs had
their own spin on those
When I went to work at DSC/Alcatel USA in 1997, we had to meet GR-1089.
Telcordia had/has a lot of immunity and ruggedness requirements. Yes,
we did flammability tests. I've been in the Hinsdale Central Office
too (I was looking at an EMI complaint at one of their subscribers) ad
got the
Some years ago, in another century, I was hired to work in the EMC labs
at Tandy Corporation, in Fort Worth Texas. When I showed up, they
realized they hadn't actually budgeted funds to pay me – but they did
have money for consultants, and so they had me build, from the piled-up
panels, a
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Well, the obvious way to determine whether flame-retardants have reduced the
incidence of death or injury is to stop using flame-retardants and compare
before and after. The problem, of course, is if we
ction
of death or injury, but certainly for property damage".
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Well, the obvious way to determine whether flame-retardants have reduced the
incidence of death or injury is to stop using flame-retardants and compare
before and after. The problem, of course, is if we are wrong…
This is one argument that is often used to retain ALL requirements in
not necessarily reflect those of my
employer.
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Rich, et al, Like many issues we see raging
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From: Richard Nute
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<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-we-need-flame-retardants
Interesting,
Nevertheless, flame retardant is entrenched and in my experience I've never
had the need of it except for product certification purposes. Possibly this
is mainly a CYA exercise (*cover your anatomy*). In any case, I've
personally witnessed a few of the UL 94 tests, and they really
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-we-need-flame-retardants-in-el
ectronics/
".there has never been any valid statistical demonstration that flame
retardant chemicals of the types and concentrations used in consumer
products have resulted in death or injury reduction," says Vytenis
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