Hi Ted,
Do they have an formal interpretation of it, otherwise, it would be a grace
area and down to individual authority to judge if it complies the mains plug
standard.
You are quite right the direct plug-in power suppliers with Europlug
configuration needs to comply with product standard
In message bccfb88541b04d419dbc184fcf787...@tamuracorp.com, dated Thu,
26 Jan 2012, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes:
NCB = National Certification Body
CBTL = Certification Body Test Laboratory
We have accredited test houses (accredited by national accreditation
services to
Hi Ted,
Thanks for info. Did you mean the Europlug needs to have all countries
approval or to have any one approval only before legally used in all
European countries.
Scott
On 25/1/12 2:33 AM, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com wrote:
Hello Scott,
The Europlug is commonly accepted
Hello Scott,
It's up to the individual regulatory authorities as to which approvals they
will accept or require. Having multiple approvals reduces the risk of a problem
in any one country. However, it's unlikely that you will find a plug with
approvals from all 27 members of the EU, the 4 EFTA
In message
e9c52f9e77c43c49a56a22691b3680be255...@tk5ex14mbxc302.redmond.corp.micro
soft.com, dated Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com
writes:
It?s up to the individual regulatory authorities as to which approvals
they will accept or require.
Not in Europe. Any legitimate
Is NCB or CBTL the definition of 'legitimate approval' ? They do not always
accept other reports.
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In message 3fab9750e2aa4876aafdbb86491db...@tamuracorp.com, dated Thu,
26 Jan 2012, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes:
Is NCB or CBTL the definition of 'legitimate approval' ? They do not
always accept other reports.
I don't recognize those abbreviations.
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Can you sell CEE 7/4 outlet in France?
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No. Has no ground in French sockets. Creating a single fault on purpose… what
do you think :) ???
http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/old/qingtai/qingtai$722162956.jpg
this is the socket in France.
I’d go for the cee7/7 , suitable all over Europe for Class I
but some
Oh I forgot:
“single fault” refers to a safety test where the test agency voluntarily removes
ground from an EUT to verify that the EUT still complies with the safety
requirements.
(but with only 1 safety layer remaining)
Gert Gremmen
Van: emc-p...@ieee.org
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA4891403F7@ZEUS.cetest.local,
dated Wed, 25 Jan 2012, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
g.grem...@cetest.nl writes:
No. Has no ground in French sockets.
That projecting pin is the ground. Or should be.
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Re: [PSES] power plugs and outlets
Oh I forgot:
“single fault” refers to a safety test where the test agency voluntarily
removes
ground from
Hello Ted,
Thought about this plug, but CEE77 fits German CEE74, so could be polarity
reversal? Some of my custom products only have line fused (customer's
requirements), so cannot allow my factory to ship affected Class I stuff
with this cord.
So when will EU/EFTA code get these plugs and
In message 8c72bcefe2534b959ba5f70e54e25...@tamuracorp.com, dated Tue,
24 Jan 2012, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes:
Thought about this plug, but CEE77 fits German CEE74, so could be
polarity reversal? Some of my custom products only have line fused
(customer's requirements),
In Europe, Euro plug is widely used and accepted although each country may
have their own plug. As in EN standard, the product must be fitted with the
plug in the country where the product is sold. Is Euro plug legally correct
in those countries? I have learnt that it is allowed as the
Hello Brian,
You can ship Class I devices with a fuse only on one side and with a
non-polarized plug as long as the plug is a grounding plug. Mr. Woodgate is
correct in his analysis. I have had VDE specifically require the marking of IEC
60950-1 section 2.7.6 for this situation. That clause is
Hello Scott,
The Europlug is commonly accepted across Europe with the exception of the
countries that use the BS 1363 plug. You will find that a Europlug complying
with EN 50075 and IEC 60884-1 can get approvals from all of the major European
approvers. Here is one
In message cb45076e.15946%scott...@gmail.com, dated Wed, 25 Jan 2012,
Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes:
In Europe, Euro plug is widely used and accepted although each country
may have their own plug. As in EN standard, the product must be fitted
with the plug in the country where the
small correction/addition:
on the plug the grounding socket is additional to the side-contacts
making this plug the default plug for all Europe. I would recommend
investing in this plug (CEE 7/7 hybrid) for all 10A Class I apparatus.
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA4891403EF@ZEUS.cetest.local,
dated Tue, 24 Jan 2012, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
g.grem...@cetest.nl writes:
small correction/addition:
on the plug the grounding socket is additional to the side-contacts
making this plug the default
Want to reduce number of plug types on pwr cords. Where I need ground pin,
was thinking of reducing types to CEI23-16, SEV1011, and BS1363A.
Is this a stupid idea? Am I missing a major European plug type?
thanks,
Brian
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This
Hi Brian,
You will want the CEE 7/7 for most of Europe. It works in almost any European
outlet that doesn't accept one of the three that you mentioned. The BS 1363
covers the UK, Ireland and Malta. The SEV 1011 only covers Switzerland. Make
sure your supplier conforms to the new SEV 1011:2009
Hi Brian:
You can get country/plug data from a number of
sources. Then, you can determine the minimum
number of plugs to cover the most number of
countries. Do a spreadsheet and a histogram.
Then, you need a third dimension, the number
of potential customers for each plug. I suppose
you
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