RE: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-21 Thread drcuthbert
I completely agree with Ken Javor. Solid theory and solid conclusions. Dave Cuthbert From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:53 PM To: pwell...@csw.l-3com.com; 72146@compuserve.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: RE02 cabling problem

RE: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-21 Thread Cortland Richmond
It's been a long time since I did military-style testing -- TEMPEST in the 1980's -- but it seemed to me then that no great care was taken to control cable common-mode impedance. The environment INSIDE the chamber was as unrealistic as one might care to get, and no attempt was made to control or

Re: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-20 Thread Ken Javor
: RE02 cabling problem Philip Ross Wellington wrote: I do not recommend that you use heavy filtering at the chamber egress wall to control emissions for a couple of reasons... Valid statements. However, it's necessary to control chamber ingress, otherwise the test would

Re: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-20 Thread Ken Javor
Subject: Re: RE02 cabling problem I was looking over Dries' post again and note that I overlooked something important: He says that short shield goes on the *wall plate* -- which I presume to be the shielded room wall. This doesn't change my recommendation he test with unshielded wires

RE: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-20 Thread pwell...@csw.l-3com.com
-3 Communications CSW From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:72146@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:33 PM To: ieee pstc list Subject: RE: RE02 cabling problem Philip Ross Wellington wrote: I do not recommend that you use heavy filtering at the chamber egress wall to control

RE: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-19 Thread pwell...@csw.l-3com.com
:25 PM To: neve...@attbi.com; ieee pstc list Subject: Re: RE02 cabling problem I was looking over Dries' post again and note that I overlooked something important: He says that short shield goes on the *wall plate* -- which I presume to be the shielded room wall. This doesn't change my

Re: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-19 Thread Cortland Richmond
I was looking over Dries' post again and note that I overlooked something important: He says that short shield goes on the *wall plate* -- which I presume to be the shielded room wall. This doesn't change my recommendation he test with unshielded wires. But it serves as a reminder that support

Re: RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-18 Thread Cortland Richmond
Dries, it sounds very much as if that short shield is acting as a (low-value) bypass capacitance. If, as you say, no shield is permitted, then your customers will audit with no shield, and the product will fail no matter what tricks you used to get around failure in your own tests. Then you will

RE02 cabling problem

2003-02-18 Thread Vanduffel, Dries
I'm measuring RE02 according Mil Std 461C. the Standard says that 'signal cables' have to be at least 2meters long lay and on the table. My cables are twisted pairs and not allowed to be shielded. Around 30MHz I get hugh outages. The total cable length is 3 meters (this length is only chosen to