Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-02 Thread Wiseman, Joshua E
Now it is a little more work than that. Last one I was involved in we did a quick and dirty temperature test, dielectric, ground bond and visual inspection to ensure proper fusing, the power switch breaks line, PE is green yellow/green, etc. The inspection takes about 2 hrs then the report is

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-02 Thread Jim Hulbert
Thank you for responses I've received. They've been very helpful. Jim Hulbert From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:35 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? In

Re: [PSES] wireless approvals matrix

2012-11-02 Thread Dan Roman
Bob,I believe that document may be on the Product Compliance online communities site. Unfortunately most of the IEEE web servers are down because of the storm so I cannot verify.The URL is http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ and you need an IEEE account to view it. An IEEE account is available

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Smith
The amount of time required and the specific tests that would be involved in the special inspection, which would typically be for a single product or system (or a small very small number) would depend greatly on the type of product it is, and is similar to an electrical inspection - the intent is

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-02 Thread Doug Nix
Jim, In addition to the electrical code requirements under the Canadian Electrical Code (CEC), CSA C22.1, and the applicable parts of the CE Part 2 standards (CSA C22.2 #X), the Field Evaluation (sometimes called Special Inspection) can be done by an SCC Accredited Inspection body under CSA

[PSES] VTM-2 Rated Film - Proper Electrical Barrier

2012-11-02 Thread Richard Pittenger
Esteemed Colleagues, I have a product submitted to NRTL E that uses a Mylar electrical barrier between line-voltage (120 V ac), uninsulated live parts on a circuit board and the aluminum electrical enclosure. The 'through-air' spacing would be a little short without this barrier in place. The

Re: [PSES] VTM-2 Rated Film - Proper Electrical Barrier

2012-11-02 Thread Brian Oconnell
The NRTL assessment engineer must provide specific requirements via normative clauses of the scoped standard, or a formal corporate policy that has been published. If this person will not or cannot, immediately contact the agency's technical authority for the scope of your equipment. The OSHA NRTL

Re: [PSES] VTM-2 Rated Film - Proper Electrical Barrier

2012-11-02 Thread John Woodgate
In message 99280a01673ff44180f15babb58896ca091b2ae...@troyex2.itwfeg.biz, dated Fri, 2 Nov 2012, Richard Pittenger richard.pitten...@hobartcorp.com writes: NRTL ?E? is objecting to use of this material for this application but so far has not provided a reason. Can any of you think of a

Re: [PSES] VTM-2 Rated Film - Proper Electrical Barrier

2012-11-02 Thread jral...@productsafetyinc.com
Flame rating doesn't mean it's an insulator. Is it an insulator? What are the Dielectric properties? Insulators depend on the Standard. Most I've worked in require insulators to be 0.7mm thick, minimum. They also may be concerned that a sharp solder point or component pins can pierce the

Re: [PSES] VTM-2 Rated Film - Proper Electrical Barrier

2012-11-02 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
And some standards will provide only a reduction in clearance if an insulator is used, it won't necessarily replace the need for a clearance. (as silly as that may sound) ___ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric

[PSES] Logo Identification

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Smith
Can someone identify the organization that issues this logo? http://tjstechnical.com/images/IMG_0238-1.jpg Tom Smith, P.Eng Product Safety and Approvals Consultant TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com

Re: [PSES] Logo Identification

2012-11-02 Thread Ron Pickard
Hi Tom, That symbol is a China RoHS marking found in document SJ/T11364-2006 issued by the MII where the specifications for that symbol are given. This symbol's intent is to indicate a product to be environmentally friendly. IHTH. Best regards, Ron From: Tom Smith

Re: [PSES] Logo Identification

2012-11-02 Thread Steven Brody
Tom, The logo is the China RoHS Environment Friendly Use Period logo - it should be green if the substances are all under the limits or not present, and It would be orange if any of them were above or if you did not know, with a number inside where the e is. That number would be a manufacturer

Re: [PSES] VTM-2 Rated Film - Proper Electrical Barrier

2012-11-02 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Richard: Unfortunately, this situation mixes two, independent requirements: 1) electrical insulation requirements, and 2) anti-fire requirements. If the clearance (air insulation) is insufficient for basic insulation, then a solid insulation may be used in place of the clearance. If