Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread Grasso, Charles [Outlook]
Hi all – What wonderful responses. I understand that without the proper processes in attention that the chances of passing first time is low indeed. One could argue that the first time passers have such a system in place and I was interested in how much EMC has been integrated into the product

Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Charles: Not what you asked for, but a set of principles for success with third-party testing, from a product safety point of view: 1. The design engineer and the product safety engineer should be able to predict the outcome of any test. 2. Testing simply confirms (or

Re: [PSES] [External] : Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread Monrad Monsen
Hi Chaz, I concur with Pete. The key question is how much the development engineering team is willing to take input from hardware compliance experts (both EMC and safety). Does the team invite EMC & safety input early in the development from concept to design (including design reviews), etc.?

Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread John E Allen
“From much experience” I can only concur with Pete, Monrad and yourself – safety, EMC & RoHS compliance must be explicitly built into the Product Lifecycle structure and process. Failure to do that, and to then make sure that that all WORKS is a route to “painful”, time-consuming and

Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
We have found "pre-screening" EMC testing early in the development cycle to be a good investment. EMC test results can be notoriously hard to predict, even when using EMC-savvy design principles. Extra PCB board spins are cheap in the context of a larger or time critical project. Mike Sherman

Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread Douglas E Powell
Pete, I definitely agree with you on your points about experience. It seems the highly experienced ones are those who are most successful on first pass EMC testing. You can often tell who these people are on the design team by the number of war stories they can tell. I sometimes think of this in

Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread Pete Perkins
Charles, et al, You question is rather simplistic, in my opinion. From my more than 25 years doing safety & regulatory consulting with dozens and dozens of companies both large and small, I find that the experience of the design team is the key to meeting the

Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread Pete Perkins
Chas, et al, Yes, great responses; lot’s of experience out there. To answer your recent expression of your question we need to understand that the world is not static; people move around plus come and go. Altho I get more that my share of ‘We

[PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread Grasso, Charles [Outlook]
Hello EMC gurus! Calling all labs - In your experience how many products pass the Unintentional Emissions test first time? ? - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post