I'm not an expert on GR1089 but I think that your interpretation should include
careful consideration of what constitutes damage.
The operation of a fuse or a circuit breaker is not damage.
That is normal operation.
What the specification is seeking to eliminate is overheating, explosion, loss
Look at websites for companies that make SMPS controller ICs; e.g. Cherry,
TI/Unitrode, etc.
Brian
-Original Message-
From: Fred Waechter [mailto:w...@skybest.com]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:28 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Self Oscillating Flyback Converters
Hi
Hello Group,
My company Pelco a leading CCTV manufacturer located in California's Central
San Joaquin Valley is in search of a Product Safety Engineer. This
individual should be familiar with IEC 60950 and IEC 60065 and their UL
counterparts. Any interested parties please contact me offline for
Ghery,
You are right. The parameters for S11 and ferrite are widely
varying and probably that is why no specifications were made up.
However, most ferrites do behave in the area around 75-300 ohms
so a 100 % tolerance (SWR 1:2) may be achieved.
This needs investigations of course. I think that
I read in !emc-pstc that Walter Anderson ander...@symbol.com wrote (in
sde23e68@symbol.com) about 'Ferrite clamps' on Mon, 25 Nov 2002:
Fisher Custom Communications
P/N F-201-DCN-xxmm
BW: 30 - 1000MHz
Walter J. Anderson
EMC Regulatory Engineer
Symbol
Gert,
A flat 150 ohms from 30 MHz to 1000 MHz is not realistic. Have you measured
S11 for a clamp over that range? We did such measurements several years ago
while A1:2000 was still under discussion and found a far higher value for
typically available clamps down near 30 MHz. I agree with the
Hi All,
Does anyone out there know of a good source for theory of operation and
design of self-oscillating flyback converters? Particularly the variable
on time, off time, variable frequency types, also referred to as RCC
circuits.
Thanks,
Fred Waechter
SMPS Consulting
This was resolved a couple of NEBS conferences ago. All the main RBOCs
were present and they agreed that a fuse was a special case. The fuse
is designed to open, therefore operation of the fuse is normal and allowed.
This may be a semantic strech, but that's where the current NEBS
Joe,
I was going to suggest that you look into Issue 3 of GR-1089, but you have been
given the basics. I would suggest anyone who has to live with this standard,
get the new issue and spend a day or so to really look it over in detail.
There was a great deal of work put into clarifying
The test requirements for these ferrite clamps are part of
an amendment for CISPR16-1. The amendment is in
the stage of committee draft (CD) so very early. (CISPR/A/424/CD)
Basically the troughput losses are measured.
I have suggested the NL committee to add input CM-impedance
(S11) (150 ohm +/-
Bob,
Also to what Leslie has stated, if your equipment is considered to be
Telecommunications Network
Equipment, then ETSI's EN300386 would apply, which requires a conducted
emissions test, according
to EN55022, of the DC input power port (see clause 6.2) if the input wiring is
greater than
Patrick,
I'm not certain that the labs won on this one. They now get to go out and
buy more test equipment (ferrites). On the other hand, I guess they do win
while some regulators accept the clamps and other don't. The lab gets to
run the radiated emissions test twice (more money).
Fischer
Joe,
Short-Circuit Tests
NOTE: The short-circuit tests that follow are intended to be performed only on
out-of-service equipment.
NOTE: Discrete equipment assemblies that have been listed by an NRTL to UL
60950[31] generally need not be subjected to the short circuit tests in Section
9.10.1
Fisher Custom Communications
P/N F-201-DCN-xxmm
BW: 30 - 1000MHz
Walter J. Anderson
EMC Regulatory Engineer
Symbol Technologies
One Symbol Plaza
Technical Services MS:B4
Holtsville, NY 11742
631 738 4492
Conway, Patrick R conw...@louisville.stortek.com 11/25/02
11:43AM
Gherry-
Thanks
Bob,
EN55022 is applicable to ITE equipment, there is no conducted emissions on DC
port.
However, EN55022 excludes any equipment (or part of the ITE equipment) which
has a primary function of radio transmission and/or reception according to the
ITU Radio Regulations (excerpt from EN55022:1998,
Other than they are both EMC test requirements, the difference is night and
day. The MIL-STD-461 tests are:
Much more severe/sensitive
Cover much wider frequency bands
Are typically done with different equipment. The MIL Radiated Immunity
tests use 8 different antennas, EN61326-1 uses 1.
The
Oops - wrong short circuit test - just realized. Sorry about that. My mind
is occupied by that one currently...
The on-board short-circuit test is to simulate a short occurring for
whatever reason (manufacturing defect, design defect, operational fault).
Since something bad happened, in my
Is it a requirement to measure conducted emissions on a DC input power port
under CISPR 22 or EN55022? The equipment is a PC that runs off a DC power
bus?
Thanks,
Bob Heller
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
Gherry-
Thanks for the response. I was very interested in knowing what the
responses were at the committee level to those basic questions. From your
report it seems the basics of non-interference were brought up but other
factors weighed heavier in the argument.
If I worked
Folks,
We have received an inquiry, concerning on the key differences
between the test requirements of
MIL-STD -461 and EN61326-1.
Can someone familiar with these two stds provide some details on
these different test requirements.
Your input would
I read in !emc-pstc that Gordon,Ian ian.gor...@edwards.boc.com wrote
(in E1BA0362B28ED211A1E80008C71EA3060181919C@z-
160-100-30-252.est.ibm.com) about 'Revised EMCD' on Mon, 25 Nov 2002:
Does anybody know how long it may be before the new directive might be
implemented?
It depends on whether the
Folks,
In addition to the many IEC 1010 test and measurement equipment related
stds and SEMI S2 requirements, what are the sound pressure level
requirements stated in any other domestic or international stds?
Your input would be appreciated.
Best Regards,Paul J Smith
Kim/David,
I can confirm that only the reduced 2.418 to 2.457 GHz band is available in
Israel for SRD devices complying with EN 300 328 and EN 300 440. Maximum
EIRP is 100 mW.
Contact me offline for info about the other countries.
Best Regards,
Roger Magnuson
Managing Director
TGC Communication
I fully agree with Ken. I have many times used house-made sniffer probes to
locate sources (and also coupling paths and/or antennas) of radiated emissions.
They helped me identify and fix a number of compliance issues by pointing to
the critical elements.
That is the real plus of these tools.
Re below, I have in the back of my mind 2005 but I cannot lay my hands on the
piece of paper containing the information.
will keep looking
Cheers
Alan E Hutley
www.compliance-club.com
Gert et al
Does anybody know how long it may be before the new directive might be
implemented?
Thanks
Ian
For large systems which cannot logistically either fit into chambers or
would cost a small fortune to ship to a lab I believe you can have a
notified body do modified EMC on site. I know TUV Rheinland in Newtown CT
has a very nice Mobile EMC lab where they will come to your facility and do
You would certainly violate any warranties such as service and
manufacturing.
Bob Heller
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
=
Dear Kim,
I do not work with Bluetooth myself, but I have just spoken with a colleague
on your behalf. To my surprise, he states that Bluetooth has not yet been
approved for use in Israel due to a clash with frequencies used by the
military. However, the Ministry of Communications is working on
In a message dated 11/25/2002 7:52:58 AM Central Standard Time,
kimb...@post7.tele.dk writes:
Hi all
Sorry to bring this matter up again.
I have now a list of 21 countries requirements for BlueTooth products
national type approvals, and still need 4 more which I can't find. Can
some one
Hi all
Sorry to bring this matter up again.
I have now a list of 21 countries requirements for BlueTooth products
national type approvals, and still need 4 more which I can't find. Can
some one help with national requirements for SRD and BlueTooth for;
Israel
Brazil
Argentina
India
Thank you
I would be a bit concerned with altering another's product. Two things
could happen, you could violate some other aspect of CE, so you would need
to re-test everything, or, you could violate something in the design
itself, and how would you explain a field problem? The liability would
rest on
Gert et al
Does anybody know how long it may be before the new directive might be
implemented?
Thanks
Ian Gordon
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