Re: CCC query

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Dear Ron, Apart from CCC, the CVC (China Voluntary Certification) covers 28 categories of equipment and those are very possible to become the 2nd catalogue of CCC products but uncertain yet. As you may know there are already some cross overlap between CCC mark and MII (NAL) for TTE, i.e. some ter

Re: Malaysian Approvals

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Dear Chris, Your vendor probably used a wrong agent. In deed, Maylaysia telecom approval is complicated because it has not only telecom approval but also need importatnt permit (JK69)under local representative/dealer's name from SQAS even for the test samples (maximum two test samples are require

RE: EMC consultant in Portland area?

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Sorry - Portland Oregon. Jim From: Camille Good [mailto:goodca_ve...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:07 PM To: Jim Eichner; EMC-PSTC - Forum Subject: Re: EMC consultant in Portland area? Do you mean Portland, Oregon? There is also a Portland, Maine . . . . -Camille Portland, O

Re: EMC consultant in Portland area?

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Do you mean Portland, Oregon? There is also a Portland, Maine . . . . -Camille Portland, Oregon --- Jim Eichner wrote: > Request from an associate of mine at a different > company, who is having > some emissions problems with a piece of industrial > equipment. He's > looking for someone to he

EMC consultant in Portland area?

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Request from an associate of mine at a different company, who is having some emissions problems with a piece of industrial equipment. He's looking for someone to help diagnose and fix (or filter/shield) an emissions problem as a contract job. Anybody interested please send me your details off-lin

RE: superfluous hazard labeling

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
"customer wants to use "hot surface" when it does not pose a risk of burns" Couple of questions to consider. Is a burn the only type of injury/harm associated with a warm/hot surface? Have there been any similar cases in Product Liability Case law. However since the label requirement is not statu

Re: Malaysian Approvals

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Richard, The process will depend on the equipment at hand. For equipment with the more "traditional" interfaces - i.e. analog, ISDN, etc - in-country testing is required, either at the SIRIM lab or at the carrier (Telekom Malaysia) lab (depending on the type of equipment involved). Equipment i

RE: superfluous hazard labeling

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. While the discussion of overused warning keywords is ancillary to this one, my main concern is that a customer wants to use "hot surface" when it does not pose a risk of burns. The user may then ignore that warning and mentally conclude that warnings o

Re: Malaysian Approvals

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Malaysia is in-country testing. Telecom tests are similar to JATE. What telecom interface is your product? We use a vendor to get our Malaysia approvals and it cost us more than any other Pacrim country. Christopher "Stone, Richard" wrote: good morning group, has anyone tried to sumbit an app

RE: superfluous hazard labeling

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Chris, All these considerations were taken into account. This is a 40 ºC product and several operating conditions were tested in the high ambient. The worst case is the 50 ºC surface temperature measurement. Thanks, -doug _ From: Ja

RE: superfluous hazard labeling

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Pete Perkins, a local product safety consultant here in Portland, Oregon, had a presentation about safety markings that included discussion about the usage of "Caution", "Warning" and "Danger". It's been a couple of years since I've seen his presentation and the discussion mainly applied to the us

Graphical symbols for RS232 communication port

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Need your help, Looking for the graphical symbols for RS232. (three (3) different type of symbols for RS232) 1> <-> with diamond 2> IOIOI __ 3>_I I_I I_ Which one? Thanks Joshua Kim Senior Regulatory Engineer Welch Allyn 4341 State Street Road P.O. Box 220 Skaneateles Falls, NY 1

RE: superfluous hazard labeling

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Under what ambient conditions do they reach 50C? in an ambient of 20C ?? What temp do they reach in an ambient of 30C? What is the max op temp for the equipment? … Regards, Chris _ From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] O

RE: superfluous hazard labeling

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Doug - While I don't have an answer for you, but I do have a similar concern where signal words like "caution," "warning," and "danger" are overused and the hazard overstated. I'm also concerned about ESD concerns plunked under a heading of "safety" in manuals. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE pt

superfluous hazard labeling

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. All, Does anyone know if there are any standards-based rules about superfluous labeling of products? I have heard that some countries have rules about proliferation of labels as they can have the effect of masking the real hazards. In this in

RE: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Ken - With the advent of leakage current meters, like the Simpson 228 and 229-2, it would be interesting to know what one of those meters (in particular the 229-2) indicate the current flow is, just as a cross check. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE ptar...@ieee.org This message is from the IEEE

RE: Changes to FCC Part 15 (July 12, 2004 Version)

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Tom - FWIW, the link provided below leads to the self-same file as the bottom link on the URL provided by John. And it's no longer at the bottom of the page, it's the first bulleted list item on the page. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE ptar...@ieee.org From: Tom Cokenias Sent: Saturday, Decem

Malaysian Approvals

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
good morning group, has anyone tried to sumbit an application to ship into Malaysia thru Sirim QAS, for telecommuncations equipment? I'd like to know the process, I searched a few sites and came up empty. From what I have found, you need to apply with Sirim QAS, and pay a fee and also pay for labe

Re: IEC 60335-2-23 - US equivalent standard

2004-12-07 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Pierre Bonjour, The US equivalent may be any of the following depending on the product and application. 1) UL 1431, "Personal Hygiene and Health Care Appliances" 2) UL 1028, "Electric Hair Clipping and Shaving Appliances" 3) UL 859, "Electric Personal Grooming Appliances" Also UL 1097, "Doubl