Re: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 9d04b979323dcd428297dda95108893e0120c...@bb-corp-ex2.corp.cubic.cub, dated Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: I hate to guess the ratio of viewers of that video who analyzed the conditions (antenna direction, underlying physics) to those who now know they

RE: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread James, Chris
Thank you Ed, your second sentence hits the nail right on the head. The ratio is probably much less than 5%, the additional revenue “creamed” by networks is probably the un-guessable – the company who propagated the video should be brought to book and maybe the sale of pop-corn had

RE: 60950-1:2006 clause 2.5 - Limited power sources

2008-06-19 Thread Jim Eichner
I don't understand why electromechanical devices cannot be proven to have reliable cycle life. There are electromechanical devices tested for 6,000 cycles and 100,000 cycles commonly available, and there may be other classes with even higher cycle life. The standards all require that holding the

Re: 60950-1:2006 clause 2.5 - Limited power sources

2008-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message de87437fe365cb458c265ea3d73b6f1d039ad...@xbc-mail1.xantrex.com, dated Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Jim Eichner jim.eich...@xantrex.com writes: The reason for my enquiry is standards committee work. We are importing this Limited Power Sources section, and it doesn't seem right to not allow

EuP lot 7

2008-06-19 Thread Umbdenstock, Don
Does anyone know where I can find either a copy or a draft copy of lot 7? Does anyone know if discussions are still occurring on lot 7? Don Umbdenstock Manager Compliance Engineering Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA Phone: 561.912.6440

RE: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread 'Rich Nute'
Six Parisian libraries have already been the subject of a campaign of measurements of electromagnetic waves, showing that electric fields were 80 to 400 times below the regulatory limit. The city is aware of concerns and wants to remain vigilant, said Anne Hidalgo, the first deputy

Re: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 002301c8d223$e37f05a0$c600a8c0@PC323541548743, dated Thu, 19 Jun 2008, 'Rich Nute' rn...@san.rr.com writes: Will the report include the emissions of the TV transmitters at the top of the Eiffel Tower? Unlikely. I would guess that radio and TV emissions at almost any location

RE: 60950-1:2006 clause 2.5 - Limited power sources

2008-06-19 Thread 'Rich Nute'
Hi Jim: I don't understand why electromechanical devices cannot be proven to have reliable cycle life. There are electromechanical devices tested for 6,000 cycles and 100,000 cycles commonly available, and there may be other classes with even higher cycle life. For a circuit-breaker,

Re: 60950-1:2006 clause 2.5 - Limited power sources

2008-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 002e01c8d226$d56ba150$c600a8c0@PC323541548743, dated Thu, 19 Jun 2008, 'Rich Nute' rn...@san.rr.com writes: Circuit-breakers probably are not operated even 100 cycles during their lifetime. In order to meet the 60950-1 requirement to disconnect both mains poles because either may

RE: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread dward
To paraphrase an old adage dealing with those who may actually believe this video has any credibility what so ever - You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him THINK. Dennis Ward Director of Engineering American TCB Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry www.atcb.com

RE: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread pat.lawler
Ed Price wrote on 06/18/2008 06:04:07 PM: snip I hate to guess the ratio of viewers of that video who analyzed the conditions (antenna direction, underlying physics) to those who now know they have proof that cell phones are more dangerous than ever. It would be interesting to know how

Re: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 005f01c8d22d$98d2c410$4600a8c0@CompaqPresarioD, dated Thu, 19 Jun 2008, dward dw...@atcb.com writes: To paraphrase an old adage dealing with those who may actually believe this video has any credibility what so ever - You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him THINK.

Re: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message ofba0abbfd.693e2169-on8825746d.005c3805-8825746d.005d3...@slpower.com, dated Thu, 19 Jun 2008, pat.law...@slpower.com writes: Imagine 2 or 3 young people trying the test, with no results.  So they get a couple of their friends cell phones, and try again to no avail. Then they get

RE: 60950-1:2006 clause 2.5 - Limited power sources

2008-06-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
The breaker, in this case is not used to interrupt current from a branch ckt, but to meet the requirements for LPS limits of a secondary ckt. Also in this thread, Mr. Nute had stated that safety standards may not be addressing reliability. The problem here might be specific to North American

RE: mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread Luksich Mark-TXP763
As an RF engineer I can safely say that they are a hoax's The average microwave oven is 1000 W The average cell phone is 300 mW A low power microwave oven is 600 W s... it would take 2000 phones to generate the energy of one small underpowered microwave oven. If they had

ENEC european complaince

2008-06-19 Thread sudhakar wasnik
Hello Wizards of compliance, Is ENEC mark mandatory for electrical products? Thanks, Sudhakar swas...@lsgc.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website:

RE: ENEC european complaince

2008-06-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
There are no particular agency or NB marks that are 'mandatory', but I am not a wizard, although I do have many lizards on my property. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of sudhakar wasnik Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:53 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: ENEC

Re: 60950-1:2006 clause 2.5 - Limited power sources

2008-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 002201c8d233$ee8de1e0$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: As for 'reliability', can we assume that safety standards such as 60730, 61058, 61015, 60384, etc address the issue of reliability through a min number of

Re: ENEC european complaince

2008-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
In message 949938.62703...@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com, dated Thu, 19 Jun 2008, sudhakar wasnik saloni95...@yahoo.com writes:   Is  ENEC mark mandatory for electrical products?   No, absolutely not. Compliance with the legal requirements of the Low Voltage Directive effectively makes such

RE: mobile phone safety

2008-06-19 Thread Tang, George
Interesting! You must have a really OLD cell phone. My Nokia cell phone runs on a 3.5V battery with 600mAH capacity and provides 8 hours talk time, which is probably a conservative number (8hrs) from the manufacturer. Doing a quick calculation, one can show that the total power consumed by the