Re: [PSES] QP detector - not so simple

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Gert, I can follow the dynamic range discussion, but how do we get 100V amplitude signals in the detector stage, not to mention in RF input of the EMI receiver? I thought we'd be receiving low rep pulse signals in the 100mV range (100dBuV) at most. I recall that op-amps are good for at leas

RE: [PSES] QP detector - not so simple

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The QP detector is all about pulse detection. It’s not relevant for CW inputs. Say we have 1 mS input pulses repeating at a defined interval. (We want to detect 1 mS pulses, that’s why the rise time of 1 mS was selected) (actually we detect faster pulses also, but not relevant for this discussio

Re: [PSES] QP detector - not so simple

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Didn't the signal strength (S meters) use the AGC level for determination of incoming RF level. (at least a relative indication) I can see how a mixer or IF amp can get overloaded, but if the attenuation and RF BW are appropriate and no overload exists in the preceding signal path, I cannot see

Re: QP detector - not so simple

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Wed, 24 Mar 2010, ralph.mcdiar...@ca.schneider-electric.com writes: >When I think of how well a simple AVC circuit in an AM radio receiver >works, I assumed that an extension of that would serve well as a QP >filter (with TC for both charge and discharge) If the tuned signa

RE: [PSES] [EMC-PSTC] RE: Subject headers from the listserv

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Not only do I argue with myself I often lose the argument... I think, no no I was right the first time.. Gary McInturff 208 635 8306 From: Price, Edward [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:53 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [EMC-PSTC] RE: Subjec

Re: QP detector - not so simple

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
When I think of how well a simple AVC circuit in an AM radio receiver works, I assumed that an extension of that would serve well as a QP filter (with TC for both charge and discharge) If the tuned signal fell within the range of the IF amplifier string, I thought that would have been enough prot

RE: [EMC-PSTC] RE: Subject headers from the listserv

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Related to one of my favorite T-shirts: "I flunked the Turing Test" Brian > -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Price, > Edward > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:53 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: RE: [EMC-PSTC] RE:

RE: the QP detector

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
NO the QP detector is not simple at all ! Asymmetric charge and discharges are not easy to build in hardware with good dynamic range. If you need to accept and correctly handle pulse repetition rates of 10 Hz or even lower, the “headroom” of the electronics required to build a compliant peak

RE: [EMC-PSTC] RE: Subject headers from the listserv

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
> -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of ce- > test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:47 AM > To: Dan Roman; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [EMC-PSTC] RE: Subject headers from the listserv > > Well

[EMC-PSTC] RE: Subject headers from the listserv

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Well, that's a complex way to do something simple ;<)) Now if I send [answer] to the list server followed by a Question, will it answer my question ? That would be innovative ! Gert Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens Dan Roman Verzonden: woensdag 24 maart 2010 19:36 Aan: EM

Subject headers from the listserv

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
EMC-PSTC list readers, I just wanted to pass along a quick informational message about the listserv. For those that desire it, you can have the listserv embed a prefix to the subject line to make it easier to identify messages coming from this email list. Some of you may already have this featur

Re: [PSES] Electrical Power Generating Plants

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Wed, 24 Mar 2010, ralph.mcdiar...@ca.schneider-electric.com writes: >For a clear, general approach, I'd like to see the generics used for >all electronic products where it makes sense to do so. For instance, >why would a DC power supply need a family-specific EMC standard

Re: the QP detector

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Wed, 24 Mar 2010, ralph.mcdiar...@ca.schneider-electric.com writes: >Probably related to the increased measurement bandwidth at higher >frequencies. There is an interesting PDF of a Power Point presentation, >including relatively recent developments, at: > >resource.npl.co.u

Re: [PSES] Electrical Power Generating Plants

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
For a clear, general approach, I'd like to see the generics used for all electronic products where it makes sense to do so. For instance, why would a DC power supply need a family-specific EMC standard? I'd also like to see a generic standard for product safety for most electrical and electro

Re: the QP detector

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Thanks to John, Michael, Robert and Ken for shedding some light on a topic which I suspect many of the rest of us don't understand as well as we would like. It seems like such a simple option to the detector of an EMI receiver or spectrum analyser, I'm surprised it's not found in all of them. __

Re: Electrical Power Generating Plants

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <26787621DE18DA4EA18F8B4A1884ADAD054BF35D@EXMBX01.iconnect.world>, dated Wed, 24 Mar 2010, "Ian White (UK)" writes: >From a EMC environment point of view how would you classify Electrical >Power Generating Stations. >  >Would they fit under the generic umbrella of Heavy Industrial

Electrical Power Generating Plants

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I need help in answering the following question: >From a EMC environment point of view how would you classify Electrical Power Generating Stations. Would they fit under the generic umbrella of Heavy Industrial or would they have there own specialised category ? Thanks for your help. Reg

Northeast Product Safety Society Meeting Today, March 24th

2010-03-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
All, There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society / CNEC Product Safety Engineering Society meeting today, March 24th, at the Holiday Inn, Boxborough MA. A social hour with light refreshments will begin at 7:00 PM and the technical meeting will start at 7:30 PM. Tom Revesz, EMC Sales Manager