[PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard

2014-02-04 Thread Amund Westin
Some of the standards in the EN54-series (fire alarm equipment / CPR - Contruction Product Regulations) have reference to the EMC standard EN50130-4. Not only the standard is cited, but also the version (EN 50130-4:1995+A1:1998). I've been told that Notified Bodies shall use only the standards in

Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard

2014-02-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 000a01cf2182$bfd4c090$3f7e41b0$@westin-emission.no, dated Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes: ome of the standards in the EN54-series (fire alarm equipment / CPR - Contruction Product Regulations) have reference to the EMC standard EN50130-4. Not only the

Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard

2014-02-04 Thread Brian Jones
Amund, everyone The principle is that the primary harmonised standard (in this case EN 54) sets the requirements, and the dated reference prevails over the edition listed in the OJ. However if EN 50130-4 is applied directly in its own right to a product, then the OJ dates are used. The guidance

Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard

2014-02-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 00bc01cf2191$4d2ec900$e78c5b00$@co.uk, dated Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Brian Jones e...@brianjones.co.uk writes: he principle is that the primary harmonised standard (in this case EN 54) sets the requirements, and the dated reference prevails over the edition listed in the OJ. However if

Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard

2014-02-04 Thread Harris, Kevin J (DSC)
Brian, That guidance is not quite applicable here. Only EN 50130-4 is listed in the OJ as an EMC standard and so can be the only standard used for presumption of conformity. The EN 54 series is a product performance set of standards and the requirements contained therein technically have no

Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard

2014-02-04 Thread Brian Jones
Kevin, everyone OK, this is a problem with giving general guidance on a list such as this! The guidance that I described works when the two harmonised standards are harmonised under the same directive or regulation. I am not familiar with the Construction Products Regulation 305/2011 but the CEN

Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard

2014-02-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 023e01cf21ca$7b5915e0$720b41a0$@co.uk, dated Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Brian Jones e...@brianjones.co.uk writes: OK, this is a problem with giving general guidance on a list such as this! The guidance that I described works when the two harmonised standards are harmonised under the same

Re: [PSES] Meaning of regulating network in 61010-1

2014-02-04 Thread Peter Tarver
From: Crane, Lauren Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:27 John, Your reply makes sense to me, but it also brings me to notice that circuit is used freely in the surrounding text, and yet the standard says regulating network rather than regulating circuit perhaps this implies network is a

Re: [PSES] Meaning of regulating network in 61010-1

2014-02-04 Thread sudhakar wasnik
Electrical engineering offers coures in Network theory, electrical circuits therory etc  However if you make a schematic with Z1, Z2 Z3 etc in series/Parallel combination, It is more like impedence network and not really a circuit.  You can transform this network to circuits by changing Z1, Z2,

Re: [PSES] Meaning of regulating network in 61010-1

2014-02-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 1391542671.33395.yahoomail...@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, dated Tue, 4 Feb 2014, sudhakar wasnik saloni95...@yahoo.com writes: So in short impedence single element/combination is a network and RLC single element/combination is circuit There are millions of such examples, many of

Re: [PSES] Meaning of regulating network in 61010-1

2014-02-04 Thread Peter Tarver
From: sudhakar wasnik Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:38 So in short impedence single element/combination is a network and RLC single element/combination is circuit. Any takers It's completely arbitrary whether or not a circuit is considered a network. A differentiation could be