Re: [PSES] Gain Figures Required

2016-03-02 Thread Price, Andrew (Finmeccanica, UK)
Hi All Thanks for the responses it helps. As far as I can tell 91888-1 and 91889-1 are identical to 91888-2 and 91889-2 Regards Andy Andrew Price Prinicpal Environmental Engineer (EMC) Land & Naval Defence Electronics Division Selex ES Ltd Sigma House, Christopher Martin Rd, Basildon SS14 3EL

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Ted Eckert
The cable vendors are now hyping the presence of oxygen. Now you can read about the "benefits" of air-foamed polyethylene. It's interesting to see what else cable vendors find for their ad copy. http://www.audioquest.com/hdmi/diamond Amazon currently sells this HDMI cable for the low price of $1

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Peter Tarver
Date sent: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:55:06 -0800 Send reply to: ri...@ieee.org > I've used a 5-sided cube inside the chamber to create a > draft-free environment for performing flammability tests. > Rich This technique works well for heating tests on lab benches as well and quick

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 3/2/2016 8:02 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote: I haven't looked at the SI characteristics, but the standard clearly doesn't address EMC concerns and the performance of the cables in radiated emission shows it. YMMV Hi Brent, I hope none of the vendors start hyping oxygen free cable. (grin) Cortla

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Brent DeWitt
There has been a recent marketing blitz for "certified" HDMI cables. THX has started a certification program and Kordz is one company that proudly advertises _very_ expensive cables for high video resolutions. I haven't looked at the SI characteristics, but the standard clearly doesn't address

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Richard Nute
I've used a 5-sided cube inside the chamber to create a draft-free environment for performing flammability tests. The open side faces the front so you can see the equipment. The test flame is quite still. I would believe this would also work for temperature measurements. Rich > -Or

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Kunde, Brian
A quick trip in the "Way Back" machine brings me back to the early PC days. To get parallel printers to pass the FCC class B requirements we had to use a very expensive cable purchased directly from IBM which had double shielded cable and heavy metal back shells. The cost was something like $50

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Pete Perkins
Scott, et al, From your comment & Brian's analysis, which makes sense, you should now add a test corner (as best you can fit one in) inside the temperature chamber to copy the conditions that are normally used outside the chamber. Then the results obtained are the proper, comparable result

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Peter Tarver
Alternatively, assuming the typical wire rack shelving in the chamber and a relatively small EUT, free air flow can be limited by placing three wire rack shelves onto adjacent levels that are out of the main air circulation pattern in the chamber and placing pieces of cardboard or corrugated fiberb

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 3/2/2016 11:54 AM, IBM Ken wrote: perhaps you could enclose the whole cable in a tubular copper braid (or mylar-foil tape) and try to solder to the shield of the DVI connectors Around 1987, my late brother, who was a free-lance C-language consultant, bought an extremely high resolution 27 i

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Paasche, Dieter
Brian, Also noted many differences in cables In our case, we first made sure all signal pins on the board were filtered. We grounded all unused pins on the board side. If that did not help we removed unused pins from the cable. Sincerely, Dieter Paasche Advanced Product Developer, Elect

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread B Rowland
Scott; Since I am not sure about what, exactly, you are testing, I'll just make a couple of 'open' comments. If you need a surface temperature of 40ºC on your DUT, then you should use a fan, inside your temp chamber, to achieve, as much as possible, an isothermal environment, which will, in th

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Elliott Martinson
Similarly (probably obvious), if the external temperature is higher than the EUT, when the air is stagnant, you end up with a layer of cooler air around the EUT. Increasing the flow of (hotter) air will remove this layer of cooler air and raise the external temperature. -Elliott -Original

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Kunde, Brian
Ken, Many years back we made a huge error by using USB interface to operate some light industrial equipment. We had all kinds of EMC issues because of the poor shield in the cable and face it; USB just isn’t designed for that environment. We ran tubular copper/tin braid over the entire USB cabl

Re: [PSES] Gain Figures Required

2016-03-02 Thread Gray, David
Hi, I have the numbers for the 91888-2 S/N 101 and 91889-2 S/N 101 if that helps. 91888-2 at 1 meter Freq ACFGain Num gain 1000 20.39.9 9.68 1500 20.513.221.05 2000 21.514.829.86 91888-2 at 3 meter Freq

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Larry K. Stillings
Brian, One thing I started doing here at the lab was purchasing cables with "clear" jackets on them and calling out a braided shield, mainly for USB, Firewire and such, but I wonder if that would be an option for the DVI cables you are looking for. In my experience, the clear jacketed cables come

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Pawson, James
Brian, I feel your pain and share Rodney's opinions on HDMI cables which are my man bugbear. Depending on how many you purchase a year or at a time you may well find some cable companies willing to work with you. James -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.co

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread IBM Ken
Hi Brian; Maybe this is a dumb idea, but perhaps you could enclose the whole cable in a tubular copper braid (or mylar-foil tape) and try to solder to the shield of the DVI connectors? Or, if you are cutting away the overmold anyway, solder the braid to the backshell. It would be a little delicat

Re: [PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Rodney Davis
And HDMI is not any better. The narrow minded committees which come up with interface standards MUST also look at the physical level and require some sort of mechanical/electrical specification for cables to support the interfaces they define. Without a good cable the interface whether it be DV

[PSES] Source for Quality Video Cables

2016-03-02 Thread Kunde, Brian
We are in need of a reasonably priced source for quality and reliable video cables; specifically a Single Link DVI Male to Male in a variety of lengths. In one application we would prefer one end of the cable to be a right angle. We have received and tested numerous over the counter DVI cables;

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Doug Nix
All, The idea that "moving air is cooling air” is incorrect. This is only true if there is a temperature difference between the airstream and the hot object. If the the air stream and the object are at the same temperature, no cooling will occur. If the airstream is hotter than the object, then

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Scott Xe
Brian, I also suspect the forced air circulation may help the heat dissipation. This variation will affect the result. When we conduct temperature rise at room temperature, we will place the sample inside the test corner and block the airflow directly from the top to the sample. It seems whe

Re: [PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Kunde, Brian
How windy is it inside your chamber? Ours has large fans to circulate the air. Air moving across the surface of your EUT will pull the heat out lowing the external measurements. I really don't know how to get around this other than to turn off the fans to let the air go stagnant around the EUT.

[PSES] Ambient temperature

2016-03-02 Thread Scott Xe
We would like to verify the temperature rise at 40 degC ambient temperature. The sample under test was placed in a temperature chamber set at 40 degC. The internal temperatures were close but the external temperatures were marked different and even lower than the room temperature without using

Re: [PSES] IEC 61010-1 and VDRs in OVC III environments

2016-03-02 Thread Peter Tarver
Fine and valuable responses. Thank you. Can anyone respond to my question? > Has anyone else encountered this sort of requirement? The CBTL either > could not or would not provide a written requirement, so this smells off. Peter Tarver Date sent: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 14:59:02 -080

[PSES] Gain Figures Required

2016-03-02 Thread Price, Andrew (Finmeccanica, UK)
Hi All Can anyone provide me with the gain figures for Ailtech/Stoddard Horn Antennas 91888-1 and 91889-1. Thanks Andy Andrew Price Prinicpal Environmental Engineer (EMC) Land & Naval Defence Electronics Division Selex ES Ltd Sigma House, Christopher Martin Rd, Basildon SS14 3EL, UK * Tel