Re: [PSES] Marking on Remote Controls

2017-09-22 Thread Scott Douglas
We don't consider it an accessory. We don't ship it inside any product packaging, It is boxed separately and sold either separately, or with other products on a larger order. On 9/22/2017 11:13 AM, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote: If the remote is an accessory to the primary product I’d think the

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread John Allen
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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread John Woodgate
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Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread John Allen
And, as an example of “sorting” a supplier, we began to get hipot failures on a product and tracked it down to a simple IEC power outlet which was flashing over – the problem was finally tracked down to the supplier of the outlet assembly having changed the flux used for soldering wires to the

Re: [PSES] Marking on Remote Controls

2017-09-22 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
If the remote is an accessory to the primary product I’d think the certification labeling would be on the primary product and not needed on the accessory. -Dave From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject:

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread John Allen
Rich & Friends I, too in a past life at HP at Bristol, took the same approach of making sure that our processes and productions were well in excess of what past experience had shown that UL/CSA inspectors had looked for – and, albeit with a couple of minor “glitches”, that resulted in a

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Regan Arndt
LOL.great story! Thanks for sharing! Damned if you.damned if you don't. On Sep 22, 2017 12:13 PM, "Richard Nute" wrote: Back when I was working… For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec). For purchased parts, the drawing was a cut and paste of the

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Richard Nute
Back when I was working… For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec). For purchased parts, the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec. This drawing equated our part number to the manufacturer’s part number. If the part was required to be certified, such

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
I run into the marketing BS data sheet issue quite often. Glad to see I’m not the only one. It becomes clear that whomever is drafting the data sheets does not understand the compliance specifications. They will list standards in a section called Approvals or such for example a UL standard

[PSES] Class A Group 2 Registration??

2017-09-22 Thread Kunde, Brian
Our company makes an instrument that has uses an RF Isolator Power Amp and induction coil to heat up a small metal sample for analysis purposes (Lab Equipment). By definition within the IEC/EN 55011 standard, this equipment would be classified as Class A Group 2. (hang in there; it’ll get more

Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Regan Arndt
Thanks Brian, so you are telling me that they did not change their part # when they changed the hipot value? If so, that's another interesting scenario to keep tabs on. On Sep 22, 2017 7:20 AM, "Kunde, Brian" wrote: Regan, I do not recall a case where a manufacturer

Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Kunde, Brian
Regan, I do not recall a case where a manufacturer completely removed a certification, but I have seen the following scenarios: 1. Where a certification will change, such as from the separate UL and CSA marks to a joined cULus or cCSAus mark. I’ve also seen marks change from one

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Regan Arndt
Thanks Brian. That's great you do this. Can you share any examples of where they have removed agencies but still retained the same part #? On Sep 22, 2017 5:43 AM, "Kunde, Brian" wrote: We address this possible issue in two ways. 1. We list the certification

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Kunde, Brian
We address this possible issue in two ways. 1. We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification markings on the