Re: [PSES] Tamper-proof Hardware

2019-04-08 Thread Richard Nute
>From dictionary.com: tamperproof adjective 1 that cannot be tampered with; impervious to tampering tamper verb (used without object) 1 to meddle, especially for the purpose of altering, damaging, or misusing (usually followed by with ) 2 to make changes in something, especially

Re: [PSES] Tamper-proof Hardware

2019-04-08 Thread Richard Nute
In IEC 62368-1, Basic Safeguards provide protection under normal conditions. Supplemental Safeguards provide protection under fault conditions, including a fault of the Basic Safeguard. Supplemental Safeguards ARE required. I have seen folks who say that the standards represent

Re: [PSES] Tamper-proof Hardware

2019-04-08 Thread John Allen
IMHO, the subject of “tamper-proofing devices” will be around for a “long time” because, once a “new” device is introduced, then “someone” will (pretty soon!) come up with a “workaround” – it’s just a case of when the workaround becomes available, and then when will someone find and use it, and

Re: [PSES] Tamper-proof Hardware

2019-04-08 Thread Doug Nix
All, ISO 14118 discusses the use of tamperproof screws when installing interlocking devices on guards. This is only one specific example of where this can be an effective safeguard against tampering by users. Maintenance personnel are another topic, since they would almost certainly have tools

Re: [PSES] Tamper-proof Hardware

2019-04-08 Thread John Cochran
I interpret Supplimental Safeguards are additional to the Basic Safeguards. The basic safeguards are minimum requirements and supplemental safeguards are not required. From: Robert Johnson [mailto:john...@itesafety.com] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 4:27 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG