Re: [PSES] Touch current in IEC 60335-1 for Household Appliances

2020-01-14 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Joe: Some points: 1. The 60-volts need not be isolated from the low voltage; it has a common point (ground) which is better. The lone (not both) 60-volt conductor and circuit components should be double-insulated from accessible conductive parts. 2. Please note that the

[PSES] CE marking quality manufacturing requirements

2020-01-14 Thread Regan Arndt
Greetings team members, I seem to recall somewhere either in a directive or the blue guide where it states (or implies) that part of the CE marking requirements entails that the manufacture must have a product quality system/production control..and this is where I need clarification:

Re: [PSES] Class I vs Class II safety constructions

2020-01-14 Thread Joe Randolph
Hi Pete: Over the years I have periodically been asked to troubleshoot problems with 60 Hz harmonics appearing in the audio signals of telecom equipment. The culprit is usually the type of EMC caps that you refer to. The easy-to-understand case is when two conventional Y-caps are

Re: [PSES] Class I vs Class II safety constructions

2020-01-14 Thread Pete Perkins
Scott et al, You are correct in that there seems to be a split between electrical appliances and electronic equipment and that the latter is more Class II than the former, there is chatter about an issue that is growing among class II equipments. All of the electronic equipment which

Re: [PSES] Class I vs Class II safety constructions

2020-01-14 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Josh: Yes, you are correct. Both of these standards specify the equipment be Class I. 60335-2-38 applies to commercial-use griddles. 60335-2-75 applies to commercial food or drink dispensing equipment. Thanks, and best regards, Rich From: Wiseman, Joshua Sent:

Re: [PSES] Class I vs Class II safety constructions

2020-01-14 Thread Wiseman, Joshua
It’s been a few years, but I seem to recall there was a particular IEC/EN 60335-2-xx standard that required tubular sheathed heaters to be grounded. This would force PE to be brought in. Additionally, IEC 60335-2-38 and IEC 60335-2-75 have requirements for Equipotential grounding. If I

Re: [PSES] Class I vs Class II safety constructions

2020-01-14 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Scott: I have seen no safety standards or codes that specify which products must be Class I and which products must be Class II, except in the USA washers and dryers must be Class I. As far as I know, the decision is that of the manufacturer. I have been associated with a

Re: [PSES] Touch current in IEC 60335-1 for Household Appliances

2020-01-14 Thread Joe Randolph
Hi Rich: Thanks, I think I am starting to better understand my options. Following is my current understanding: 1) If the internal non-SELV circuit does not meet the requirements in clause 8.1.4 for "protective impedance," the product will be Class 2 per clause 3.3.10 and double

[PSES] Class I vs Class II safety constructions

2020-01-14 Thread Scott Xe
In terms of safety level, both constructions are given the equivalent protection against electric shock. In electrical appliances, Class I is used most whereas Class II is employed in most electronic products. Is there any background for such design route? In some cases such as induction