Re: [PSES] Friday question

2021-06-26 Thread Richard Nute 
 

 

Hi Doug:

 

My employer had a course entitled “Zero Defects.”  We were encouraged to apply 
it to our function.  Mine, of course, was safety certification and all that it 
entailed.  Good course as it wanted a scorecard for each activity.  

 

Using the scorecard, all my submittals went without action items.  Okay, a few 
action items that I successfully showed them where they were wrong.  I took to 
arguing with the cert engineer.  In one case, he wouldn’t accept my argument, 
so I took the product to another cert house and was successful.

 

I applied the same process to follow-up inspections.  After a year or so of no 
defects, the certification house was upset.  So, they sent a bigwig to 
accompany the inspector (probably to check whether I was intimidating the 
inspector).  No defects!  

 

Rich

 

 

From: Douglas E Powell  
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:55 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Friday question

 

Out of curiosity, 

 

I would like to know (especially from those who have been in the business for a 
while) what is your "first pass success rate" for safety certifications on new 
product introductions? That is, to achieve a product safety certification from 
an accredited laboratory with no action items required coming out of the 
preliminary design review.  It's helpful if you can indicate how complex the 
projects are.

 

In my 26 years as a compliance engineer, I've observed possibly three in total 
for products with a reasonably high complexity.

 

Thanks! Doug

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Douglas E Powell
doug...@gmail.com  
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

 

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Re: [PSES] Friday question

2021-06-26 Thread Ron Pickard 
Fortunately, I had the full support of upper management and use of pretest 
facilities in-house (a lot of which I built). I dealt with varied product types 
across multiple compliance disciplines, environments & countries. Some products 
were variants to some degree and others were new designs.

I still kind of miss it as it kept me very busy with long nights, but my head 
was truly full of mush at the end & I'm glad I'm out now.

Great friday question (made me reminisce).

⁣Ron Pickard
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On Jun 25, 2021, 10:05 PM, at 10:05 PM, Douglas E Powell  
wrote:
>Amusing indeed.
>
>I have a few private answers about companies who have succeeded, but I
>suspect that many new products that passed first time were mainly
>variants
>of exisiting product lines. My question was about new product
>introductions.
>
>I am know several design engineers who have learned by way of the
>school of
>hard knocks, and either they design for compliance or at the very least
>submit designs to someone like myself before calling in the safety
>agency.
>
>Doug
>
>On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 6:07 PM Ron Pickard  wrote:
>
>> Amusing anecdotes so far, but no answers for Doug yet.
>>
>> Over the years in a time long ago (retired for a few years now) I
>gained
>> much success with first time submissions with experience
>(relationships
>> with labs & agencies were also important for this).
>>
>> The big continuing annoyance was with product variations found during
>> factory inspections due to part availability issues and manufacturer
>> ingenuity (loved working those variation notices).
>>
>> Enjoying retirement & best regards,
>>
>> Ron Pickard
>> *Sent from my smartphone*
>> On Jun 25, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Douglas E Powell 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity,
>>>
>>> I would like to know (especially from those who have been in the
>business
>>> for a while) what is your "first pass success rate" for safety
>>> certifications on new product introductions? That is, to achieve a
>product
>>> safety certification from an accredited laboratory with no action
>items
>>> required coming out of the preliminary design review.  It's helpful
>if you
>>> can indicate how complex the projects are.
>>>
>>> In my 26 years as a compliance engineer, I've observed possibly
>three in
>>> total for products with a reasonably high complexity.
>>>
>>> Thanks! Doug
>>> --
>>>
>>> Douglas E Powell
>>> doug...@gmail.com
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01
>>>
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