[PSES] new videos and my Odysee channel for them

2021-09-03 Thread doug emcesd.com
Hi All, Here is the link to my latest newsletter which has links to several videos on my new Odysee channel. I plan to copy over all my YouTube videos plus add more content. I will not be adding any more to my YouTube channel. Newsletter: https://conta.cc/3DET0Re Odysee channel: (https://odyse

Re: [PSES] Over Reliance on Automated Safety Controls (Friday question)

2021-09-03 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Doug: For safety, the issue seems to be reliance on the correct functioning of devices. As equipment becomes more and more complex, we are more reliant on the correct functioning of devices. An example is the modern day airplane. One specific example is the Air France flight fr

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Over Reliance on Automated Safety Controls (Friday question)

2021-09-03 Thread Douglas E Powell
Ted, I agree with your comments. My concern today is about hazards that ancestors even one generation ago did not have. While my original question is mainly about human behavior and not the scale or proximity of a hazard, we are these days seeing problems that can become very catastrophic. One cas

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Over Reliance on Automated Safety Controls (Friday question)

2021-09-03 Thread Scott Aldous
Interesting topic, Doug! I think the first step would be to define overreliance in this context. How does one determine the appropriate degree of reliance on technology for safety? On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 8:14 AM Ted Eckert < 07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote: > Hi Doug, > > > > Let

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Over Reliance on Automated Safety Controls (Friday question)

2021-09-03 Thread Ted Eckert
Hi Doug, Let me ask your question a different way. Haven't humans always used technology to provide some level of safety that allows us to use or time and mental capacity for other tasks? Millenia ago, hunter-gatherer groups had many things to be fearful of. Surviving the night might require k

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Touch temperature limits for accessible parts

2021-09-03 Thread Scott Xe
Dear Ted, Appreciate your view & advice! The charger with a detachable cable is normally left in the cigarette socket from day one. The user will use it when in the car or battery low of mobile phone (common object to be charged). As per charging protocol, the most likely full load would happen

Re: [PSES] Over Reliance on Automated Safety Controls (Friday question)

2021-09-03 Thread John Woodgate
I think it's not safe to generalize. Attitudes and forethought vary so much among designers. For me, whatever automated safety measures are provided, there must be 'last chance' protection in hardware, such as fuses. =

Re: [PSES] Touch temperature limits for accessible parts

2021-09-03 Thread Scott Xe
Dear Rich, 44 degC causing 1st degree skin burn is new to me and easy to get in touch with this temperature in daily life. I am looking forward to receiving your paper and learning this matter in greater depth! Many thanks & kindest regards, Scott On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 00:44, Richard Nute wr

[PSES] Over Reliance on Automated Safety Controls (Friday question)

2021-09-03 Thread Douglas E Powell
All, My question is probably philosophical. With the advent of Safety rated PLCs, Safety Relays, and other solid state and programmable safety devices in certified and listed products, are we at risk of becoming over reliant on automated safety systems. I'm thinking in terms of IEC 61508, ISO 121