Re: [PSES] Risk assessment versus HBSE

2022-02-14 Thread Douglas E Powell
Hi Doug, This looks like a very good summary and mentions a few of the things I was, in my poor attempt, trying to point out. One of my concerns about RA, and FMEA in particular, is that this method does have a lot of numeric computation for what is essentially a qualitative process. As such, it

Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread sudhakar wasnik
“Outdoor “ …IP … will it withstand the “ flash rain, or severe rainfall leading to flooding… Kind Regards, Sudhakar Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Charlie Blackham > wrote: > >  > I generally see outdoor telecoms enclosures specified and tested to IP66 or > IP67, or

Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Charlie Blackham
I generally see outdoor telecoms enclosures specified and tested to IP66 or IP67, or NEMA 4X, but EN 60950-22:2006 and EN 62368-1:2020 only required IP54 to provide PD2 environment. Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web:

Re: [PSES] Risk assessment versus HBSE

2022-02-14 Thread Douglas Nix
Hi Rich, I have to admit that I’ve been thinking about your reply all weekend. As you know, I teach machinery risk assessment and consult in this area regularly. I want to stipulate that there are some significant issues with risk assessment the way it is most commonly applied in industry, see

Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Douglas Nix
I agree wit Ted Eckert on this. Generally for outdoor use you’d need IP65 at least. Doug Nix "The most wasted of all days is one without laughter.” — e.e. cummings. > On 14-Feb-22, at 09:23, Brian Kunde wrote: > > An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of >

Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Don Gies
I have seen large industrial UPSs or battery chargers that have IP22 roofs. The roofs cover over fan grilles on the top, leaving approx. 50 mm of air for ventilation. Though they may be used to stop water drips or condensation coming off pipes, they are mostly intended to keep cut stranded

Re: [PSES] Declarations of Conformity-Gap Analysis Reports-EMC

2022-02-14 Thread Charles Grasso
Its been a while since I looked - but I think the standards typically lists the changes and differences. Or has that changed? On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:41 PM Ryan Jazz wrote: > * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: > rjayasin...@yamahaguitargroup.com * >

Re: [PSES] Risk assessment versus HBSE

2022-02-14 Thread Charles Grasso
Hello Rich I am somewhat alarmed by a paragraph in your email!! In it you indicated that: "When I evaluate a product, I look for the physical energy sources, *and then determine if the energy sources are hazardous or no*t. Unlike Risk Assessment, this is easy and repeatable and not subjective.

Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Stultz, Mark
Hi Brian, The IP ratings apply to continuous situations unless stated otherwise. So IPX2 means that water drops can be continuously falling at 3mm/min when the EUT is tilted up to 15°. The test lasts for 2.5 minutes per side, but the environment is considered continuous. For our machinery

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Ted Eckert
Hi Brian, It is reasonable to state that an IP22 device is not intended for outdoor use or where exposed to water. A much higher IP rating would be required for reliable operation outdoors, and most people who purchase outdoor equipment would not accept a product with only an IP22 rating. Ted

[PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Brian Kunde
An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of water drops at 15° tilt. Now, most PC enclosures protect the electronics from occasional exposure to water drops, but it is not designed to be exposed to water drops continuously. So can you rate an electronic device IP22,